# What cloud storage do you use or recommend? **URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/what-cloud-storage-do-you-use-or-recommend/18296 **Category:** Questions **Created:** 2024-05-12T19:39:07Z **Posts:** 37 ## Post 1 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-12T19:39:07Z I currently use Proton Drive as my main hub for storing and sharing files. It has been great so far, but at the same time it doesn’t really have advanced functionality like being able to colloborate with people in folders, and their mobile app is very limited in features. Options that I could use or consider: - Dropbox. I know Dropbox is not the best in terms of privacy and they recently had a breach with their Sign service, but they seem to be a pretty cloud storage provider that has everything you could need, minus the end-to-end encryption part and being open source. - Dropbox with Cryptomator. This would have the limitation of not being able to share files with people through a link, and not being able to view files in the web, which I guess is kinda the point of Cryptomator. - [Hetzner Storage Share](https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/). This is a service that uses Nextcloud to host all your files and documents. Options that I am not choosing: - Google Drive (with or without Cryptomator). I deleted all my Google accounts a while ago, and I don’t really want to open one again just for storing files and documents. - Tresoit. Tresorit is a great service, but they have limitations that I didn’t like, which made me turn them down. - Peergos. Peergos is also a great service, but what made me not choose them is that they don’t have an app for syncing files from the desktop to their cloud storage. I am curious on what you think I should do or consider, and I am also curious on what you use as your cloud storage provider. --- ## Post 2 by @Feradin — 2024-05-12T20:11:38Z I’ve tried tons of clouds and I’m using Hetzner now, the E2EE works well for my archive folders and it’s very compatible with Cryptomator. I don’t use it for collaboration though. --- ## Post 3 by @donutfreak — 2024-05-12T20:16:30Z Hetzner looks interesting, especially since I’m recently fascinated by Nextcloud and it’s capabilities. I have been using Mega (edit: Megasync is the software, Mega the company) for off-site storage, and they recently introduced a VPN on most of their plans. --- ## Post 4 by @KeepItSimple — 2024-05-12T20:43:11Z I use many with rclone.. One service stands aside from others. Koofr has native support for rclone crypt, locally encrypted files are placed in the vault and this vault could be accessed via web (or app), that is what Cryptomator can not do. The other interesting feature they have, you may connect OneDrive, GDrive and Dropbox to Koofr account and have WebDAV access to those services (all of them do not have WebDAV support). --- ## Post 5 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-12T20:54:44Z > [@Feradin](#): > > I’ve tried tons of clouds and I’m using Hetzner now, the E2EE works well for my archive folders and it’s very compatible with Cryptomator. I don’t use it for collaboration though. I noticed that Privacy Guides mentions that the E2EE is not recommended for third-party nextcloud storage, how has your experience been with it? --- ## Post 6 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-12T20:58:56Z > [@donutfreak](#): > > I have been using Megasync for off-site stoage, and they recently introduced a VPN on most of their plans. By “Megasync”, do you mean [Mega](https://mega.io/)? I don’t think I am interested in their VPN offer, since I already use Mullvad as my main VPN provider. --- ## Post 7 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-12T21:04:50Z > [@KeepItSimple](#): > > Koofr has native support for rclone crypt, locally encrypted files are placed in the vault and this vault could be accessed via web (or app), that is what Cryptomator can not do. The other interesting feature they have, you may connect OneDrive, GDrive and Dropbox to Koofr account and have WebDAV access to those services (all of them do not have WebDAV support). I have never heard of Koofr, I’ll have to do some more research on them. Also, I don’t think I’m going to be using any other provider other than the provider I choose. Unless, I keep sensitive and confidential documents in Proton, and other documents that I am free to share with others in the provider that I choose. --- ## Post 8 by @donutfreak — 2024-05-12T21:46:06Z Yes, you are correct on Mega vs Megasync. I edited my post to clarify. I was pleasantly surprised they threw in a free VPN with my plan. Woohoo! --- ## Post 9 by @mika — 2024-05-12T23:43:44Z What limitation bothered you with Tresorit? I’ve been using it for my personal backup for several years and have found it wonderful, aside from the 20GB file size limit. --- ## Post 10 by @Feradin — 2024-05-13T06:11:57Z The E2EE app has had very bad reviews on the Nextcloud app store for years because people seem to have problems with it, but it has always worked well for me and my 2 archive folders. Those folders only contain old PDFs that I’m not editing and I haven’t noticed any corrupted or lost files. --- ## Post 11 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-13T07:58:36Z It might be seem stable for you, but for others it wasn’t, and I don’t really want to take any risks. --- ## Post 12 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-13T08:05:06Z > [@mika](#): > > What limitation bothered you with Tresorit? I’ve been using it for my personal backup for several years and have found it wonderful, aside from the 20GB file size limit. They have a max upload size of 10GB, and you can only share files that are 2GB in size. I found these to be quite restricting compared to other services. --- ## Post 13 by @Average_Joe — 2024-05-13T20:48:42Z > [@saltostrichpool](#): > > I am curious on what you think I should do or consider, and I am also curious on what you use as your cloud storage provider. Hi there Zxhir! I’m currently in a similar position to you. Have you thought about creating your own cloud storage setup at home? These solutions are very robust and seem simple to setup: [16 Best Open Source Cloud Storage Software for Linux in 2024](https://www.tecmint.com/free-open-source-cloud-storage-tools-for-linux/) Also, I made a thread about your question and I think you’ll find it useful! Link: > [@How To Guide For Avoiding/Minimizing "Cloud Technology"?](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/how-to-guide-for-avoiding-minimizing-cloud-technology/18007/12): > > I agree it’s unlikely anyone will actually try to crack your encrypted file in the cloud unless you are a very high profile target. Just be aware that if you live in a jurisdiction where you can be compelled by law to decrypt files on demand, having the file in the cloud in the first place makes it available to this kind of demand and you have to assume the authorities have it available indefinitely even if you delete it. --- ## Post 14 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-13T21:21:58Z I actually did consider hosting my own cloud storage at home since I do have a home server that I use for other stuff, but I feel like I wouldn’t trust myself to keep hold of my own files, if that makes sense. Let me try to explain. By trusting a provider, for example Tresorit, you trust them to keep your files safe and encrypted. The provider would have protections in place and audits to backup their arguments on security. As much as having Nextcloud hosted on a server would be great, I just wouldn’t trust myself to keep my own data safe and protected from other people. I would like to note that most of my arguments came from this [post](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/how-to-guide-for-avoiding-minimizing-cloud-technology/18007/8), since this response kinda answers your question on why I don’t want to use and setup my own cloud storage at home. Overall, I think I am going to go back over all my options and pick which one is the best. What someone decides to choose, could be different from what someone elses choice is. It all depends on your threat model, and what data do you want to protect or how bad the consequences would be if I fail to protect the data. Thank you everyone for your input and suggestions, I really appreciate it! I’ll make sure to update everyone on what I end up choosing. --- ## Post 15 by @iamnotamonk — 2024-05-14T02:51:04Z Look at Cryptee it may be sufficient depending on your needs --- ## Post 16 by @Regime6045 — 2024-05-14T16:07:35Z I have extensively researched this a while ago. Here is a big comparison table: [Comparison of Cloud, Sync & Email services](https://eylenburg.github.io/cloud_comparison.htm) I tried to find something that offers both features (e.g. editing Office and text files in the browser, 3rd-party integrations, “online-only” files shown in file explorer), openness (Linux app, F-Droid app, WebDAV), and privacy (end-to-end encryption, private payment methods like Monero). But no such provider exists and there’s compromises everywhere. I think the ones that you should “short-list” for your research are: - Dropbox - Filen - kDrive - Mega - Nextcloud - Proton - Seafile - Tresorit In the end I went with kDrive myself, also because they’re quite well priced, but I really don’t like the lack of end-to-end encryption. I used MEGA before and they were good but I was missing some features. --- ## Post 17 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-14T20:09:29Z I’ll keep those services in consideration when I decide, thank you. --- ## Post 18 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-05-14T20:11:41Z Cryptee is a great service and I support everything that they do. The only thing I wish they had is the ability to share files, but I understand their reasoning for why they don’t offer the feature. If your curious, you can find out why [here](https://crypt.ee/help?article=can-i-share-my-cryptee-files). --- ## Post 19 by @ianopolous — 2024-06-12T16:52:04Z Peergos creator here. We’re starting to work on a sync client (in addition to the fuse mount we already have). Could you tell me more about your desired sync usage? Do you want uni-directional sync, bi-directional? Offline edits and sync later? Would a local webdav mount be sufficient? --- ## Post 20 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-06-12T17:56:17Z I normally use sync to access and edit my files and folders offline. I feel like a sync client is more integrated with the system as it makes it easier to sync files back to the cloud, rather than having to upload the files manually with their web client. I would most likely want a bi-directional sync as it would just make transferring files to and from Peergos a lot better and enhance the experience. At the same time, I can see uni-directional sync being helpful as you would be able to sync backups to the cloud, but then the backups wouldn’t be downloaded to your system once uploaded. I personally don’t use WebDAV, but I can see it being useful if the user wants a more integrated solution for syncing their files. One use case I can think of is if your sync client doesn’t support Linux, people could use WebDAV to access their files. --- ## Post 21 by @Aru — 2024-06-12T18:08:00Z I use kDrive from Infomaniak. Doesn’t have E2EE (but an encrypted vault will come later) but their privacy policy is good enough. Based in Switzerland. Pretty good pricing (6€/month for 2 TB) and great customer support. Also, they are very environment friendly. --- ## Post 22 by @anon80779245 — 2024-06-13T13:47:59Z Started with Tresorit but too expensive, happy with Proton Drive but uses Ente for photos --- ## Post 23 by @deviancy — 2024-06-13T15:06:59Z I’ve been using cloud storage strictly as a backup measure for only my most critical things. I pair that with Cryptomator and just go with the cheapest available. Whatever their privacy policy and ToS are become irrelevant. --- ## Post 24 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-06-13T21:00:32Z I actually wanted to provide an update and say that I decided to host Nextcloud on my home server, and I mainly use it as my primary cloud storage. I have been happy with the experience and have encountered no issues. --- ## Post 25 by @HiddenKoala — 2024-06-13T21:50:39Z Try Proton Drive. There’s photo backups but the feature is only available on Android atm. --- ## Post 26 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-06-13T21:55:34Z I have been using Ente for my photo storage and backups. --- ## Post 27 by @Bhaelros — 2024-06-13T23:05:35Z Ente should reconsider their pricing strategy. Why would I pay more than double that I am paying to Google One and Apple One Premium, let’s say for 2 TB? Yes, they are privacy oriented but it shouldn’t cost that much, right? --- ## Post 28 by @anon80779245 — 2024-06-13T23:07:43Z You have 2TB of picture and videos :face_in_clouds: ?? --- ## Post 29 by @Bhaelros — 2024-06-13T23:08:20Z That is my total storage, using around 800ish GB with family. --- ## Post 30 by @anon80779245 — 2024-06-13T23:09:04Z > [@Bhaelros](#): > > Google One Google One is a double tier model where you countine to pay with your data. Idk about Apple. --- ## Post 31 by @Bhaelros — 2024-06-13T23:10:01Z I am not sure how I pay with my data? My yearly bill says I am paying to them with my credit card :slight_smile: Edit. It might be the case for free users. I think it was 15 GB or something like that, but not for paid users. --- ## Post 32 by @anon80779245 — 2024-06-13T23:17:01Z > [@Bhaelros](#): > > 800ish Actually I am paying for 100gb, even though that’s not a plan listed on their website. So maybe you could contact them? > [@Bhaelros](#): > > paying to them with my credit card My point is that considering cloud storage costs and dev cost, this wouldn’t be a sustainable business. But when you consider the saving costs in finding and buying images for AI training, as well as (potentally) selling your data-- then the business makes more sense. When I read Photos privacy policy, it wasnt very clear on what it would not do with your pictures. --- ## Post 33 by @Bhaelros — 2024-06-13T23:25:41Z My needs are simple. Me and my family members took photos and videos from our Apple devices and upload them to the cloud. No need for editing or adjusting. Just save them as they are, tag the person(s) if they are known, and add the location to the taken photos and videos. Save them as they are, no compression is needed. I want to access them from my devices and from my Windows desktop, as well as browsers. If Proton can mature their Drive product within few months, then I can save around 100 Euro per year for cancelling Google One 2 TB. I won’t cancel Apple One Premier tbh, even though it costs a lot, like 34,95 Euro per month. Edit. Partner Sharing not available for Apple Photos is wrong > **[Ente Photos vs. Apple Photos](https://ente.io/compare/ente-vs-apple-photos/)** > > Compare Ente and Apple Photos on privacy, encryption, platform support, and data control. See why Ente is a secure, open-source alternative for all devices. As for Apple E2EE > **[iCloud data security overview - Apple Support](https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651)** > > iCloud uses strong security methods, employs strict policies to protect your information, and leads the industry in using privacy-preserving security technologies like end-to-end encryption for your data. --- ## Post 34 by @anon55464882 — 2024-06-14T05:16:34Z I find it perplexing that Proton Drive continues to receive recommendations, particularly given its apparent lack of maturity and range of functions compared to other options. Despite my current subscription to Proton Drive, persistent synchronization errors on the desktop application, which resulted in the loss of some files, compelled me to revert to using Tresorit. Furthermore, I frequently encounter difficulties decrypting my Proton Drive files on mobile devices when accessed via the respective OS’s files app. At present, I do not consider Proton Drive to be a reliable or effective product. I hope that Proton will address these issues in future updates, at which point I may consider giving it another try. Notably, the latest updates have already resulted in a discernible improvement. --- ## Post 35 by @saltostrichpool — 2024-06-14T07:43:49Z > [@Bhaelros](#): > > As for Apple E2EE Apple does have an option for E2EE which is called “Advanced Data Protection”, but the disadvantges that brings is that the metadata is not encrypted. --- ## Post 36 by @Bhaelros — 2024-06-14T09:37:20Z I wish that too. I am already on Family plan and paying a lot of money to them but apart from privacy perspective, all of their products are still not yet matured and development is too slow. After my 2 year sub ends and their apps don’t receive major overhaul and updates, I will most likely switch to M365 Business Standard or Premium. --- ## Post 37 by @anon80779245 — 2024-06-14T15:34:57Z > [@Bhaelros](#): > > Edit. > Partner Sharing not available for Apple Photos is wrong Reach them, at [team@ente.io](mailto:team@ente.io) or at Github, they are very responsive.