# Video: Will Cape be my new favorite carrier? **URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/video-will-cape-be-my-new-favorite-carrier/37887 **Category:** Project Showcase **Created:** 2026-05-14T02:10:40Z **Posts:** 29 ## Post 1 by @jonah — 2026-05-14T02:10:40Z > **[Will Cape be my new favorite carrier?](https://www.jonaharagon.com/video/will-cape-be-my-new-favorite-carrier/)** > > This is a first impressions video. I want to talk about some of Cape's features and why I think they are actually neat and not snake oil, but I haven't been using Cape nearly long enough to speak to network coverage/performance, real-world testing,... I’ve seen a lot of people on Signal and Reddit, a lot of GrapheneOS users, and a lot of others hopping on the Cape train lately. Among our volunteers, I know I’m not the _only_ one giving it a try :thinking: What do we think, is it worth a closer look? Should _Privacy Guides_ agree to an interview with them? Are there any lingering questions after this video you want answered? Let me know :backhand_index_pointing_down: --- ## Post 2 by @ignoramous — 2026-05-14T07:09:46Z > [@jonah](#): > > Should _Privacy Guides_ agree to an interview with them? Don’t think you need buy-in from the community to do this? PG’s content team should pursue interviews with any notable project in the space,[[1]](#footnote-154029-1) as that’s a great way to get to the crux of it all (straight from horse’s mouth, as it were). * * * 1. Should also consider doing a round with Phreeli, too! [↩︎](#footnote-ref-154029-1) --- ## Post 3 by @anon7180143 — 2026-05-14T07:40:56Z > [@jonah](#): > > Should _Privacy Guides_ agree to an interview with them? You should speak with anyone and whomever in the privacy space who has a half decent product to show. The community learns more, and PG gets new content at the same time. --- ## Post 4 by @ElectricEye — 2026-05-14T10:45:01Z > [@jonah](#): > > Should _Privacy Guides_ agree to an interview with them? Yes, of course :wink: It’s up to each of _us_ to decide whether the service is right for us. An interview is definitively useful to develop a educated opinion. --- ## Post 5 by @anon7180143 — 2026-05-14T10:47:17Z I think people behind PG feel that just because something’s are being discussed by the team, it means people will take it as a recommendation. That’s the thinking they should stop having. The recommendations are on the website. And discussing anything about any particular product means just that. A discussion. For us to learn more. That’s it. This is one thing I like about Techlore. Henry interviews many people and I think we’re better for it learning about them and make a decision for ourselves. --- ## Post 6 by @seize — 2026-05-14T11:16:35Z While I largely agree with your sentiment here, but I do think there is some additional nuance here. From my perspective: > [@jonah](#): > > Should _Privacy Guides_ agree to an interview with them? Implies that Cape has reached out to request an interview with Privacy Guides. Am I wrong in assuming this? Would Privacy Guides have to reach out to Cape to arrange the interview? Anyway, I suppose my point is that if _Privacy Guides_ proper accepts[[1]](#footnote-154036-1) this interview with Cape are they then required morally to extend these interview invitations to every service recommended on the site, some subset of those, only the ones that reach out for an interview, or is no equal opportunity due to these other tools/companies? I do think an interview would be nice to see, but I am curious about the potential logistics of such an interview and if it would be “fair” without similar interviews from other privacy companies being hosted on the Privacy Guides channel. Additional side note: I’m not sure if Privacy Guides has done any other interviews of software tools/products/companies before. Though perhaps the Carissa Véliz (Author, Oxford Professor, and Proton Board Member) interview could fall under a similar umbrella.[[2]](#footnote-154036-2) Though I believe that doesn’t strictly focus on Proton products so would probably be considered differently. * * * 1. not just on Jonah’s personal channel [↩︎](#footnote-ref-154036-1) 2. I still need to go watch that :sweat_smile: [↩︎](#footnote-ref-154036-2) --- ## Post 7 by @graym — 2026-05-14T11:19:57Z > [@ignoramous](#): > > Should also consider doing a round with Phreeli, too! I second this idea. I was just thinking about how the two services compare. --- ## Post 8 by @privacy.slouchy — 2026-05-14T13:53:44Z Cape is brought up in here often, on nearly any threads discussing privacy + cellular networks. More information, an interview, etc would probably serve the community well I see Jonah has a referral code. So far as I’m concerned, it was handled well - disclaimer is plain & clear, on a personal blog clearly distinct from the PG brand, perfectly ethical, people gotta eat. But I do recommend any outreach efforts featured on PG to be led by a different team member, one without a stake in Cape. Mostly just an optics concern, I don’t want to see good information get dismissed & conflated with accusations of sponsored content --- ## Post 9 by @jonah — 2026-05-14T14:29:09Z > [@ignoramous](#): > > Don’t think you need buy-in from the community to do this? PG’s content team should pursue interviews with any notable project in the space No, I don’t think so either. I’m actually just asking about notability, because nobody’s bothered to make a Cape post here in the years they’ve been around, so maybe nobody cares. I’m probably interested in doing this one anyways, but I still like to judge whether anyone here cares because there are always other interviews to do or videos to make if people would prefer those instead. > [@seize](#): > > I’m not sure if Privacy Guides has done any other interviews of software tools/products/companies before. We’ve not, but it is something we plan to do. Currently I’m more interested in doing interviews with products we already recommend (especially if they add new features or something) but I’m not opposed to highlighting newer products by someone like Cape. My concerns are just what I said above, and pretty much what you said yeah. > [@privacy.slouchy](#): > > Cape is brought up in here often, on nearly any threads discussing privacy + cellular networks. Wasn’t my impression on a quick search here the other day, but I’ll look again. > [@anon7180143](#): > > I think people behind PG feel that just because something’s are being discussed by the team, it means people will take it as a recommendation. I think my current feeling is more that videos published by Privacy Guides _feel_ more _to me_ like website content than discussions. We have discussions on TWIP on video, and here on the forum, and to some extent in interviews where it’s not just team discussions, but sharing insight from someone external to the team. We haven’t yet done less extensively researched content like this. If people want more clearly labeled first impressions or other opinion-based discussions in PG channel videos then we can absolutely try it. But I do think it seems _too_ official, yeah, and might give people the wrong impression of what PG is beyond the channel. * * * We’ve also been discussing this a good amount on Signal the last few days before I posted this forum thread, but I think everyone has good points here. I can share at least some of my own thoughts anyways. ![IMG_2402](https://forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/3X/7/f/7f224ed94b99ce6e446ebd4b560ccfbd70e43311.jpeg) ![IMG_2403](https://forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/3X/8/4/84a180941b453f7691b20d22e98ce6d46f870486.jpeg) BTW: I mentioned those two channels not at all to imply they are bad, I actually like them, but I think they are _different_ from us. e.g. Techlore dropping the forum entirely, which we could never possibly dream of doing, even if for some reason “the team” wanted to, since it is such an integral component of anything we write. All I see the team doing is the best we can to summarize the threads here on this forum. --- ## Post 10 by @anon7180143 — 2026-05-14T14:43:20Z Well even with all that said, while PG can keep up with their content as they are, at some point it would have needed to do something “more” or “different” too. So, this type of coverage/interview content might as well be it. --- ## Post 11 by @privacy.slouchy — 2026-05-14T14:44:09Z > [@jonah](#): > > ![](https://forum-cdn.privacyguides.net/user_avatar/discuss.privacyguides.net/privacy.slouchy/48/17118_2.png) privacy.slouchy: > > > Cape is brought up in here often, on nearly any threads discussing privacy + cellular networks. > > Wasn’t my impression on a quick search here the other day, but I’ll look again Let me revise my comment: when privacy on cell networks is brought up, Cape (& Phrelli) is often brought up. But privacy on cell networks is not a super common conversation topic, so I feel this is indeed good information to compile & provide --- ## Post 12 by @jonah — 2026-05-14T14:46:00Z I just meant typically I would (want to) see a dedicated #Site Development > Tool Suggestions thread, which we definitely see for all variety of things less interesting than cell carriers, but I can try to compile opinions from across a bunch of different threads in the future too. --- ## Post 13 by @jonah — 2026-05-14T15:02:21Z > [@anon7180143](#): > > this type of coverage/interview content And to be clear, interview coverage I’m more than happy to do a lot more of. And it’s easier content really. It’s only the “personal evaluations” videos (which I’d consider this to be) I’m concerned about. (Not to mention we still have dozens of website pages to make into videos lol) --- ## Post 14 by @jonah — 2026-05-14T15:09:09Z Sorry. I realize I’m conflating this discussion on whether we should do an interview with Cape (which is the actual question I asked), with the question of whether this video I posted to my channel should be on Privacy Guides’ instead. I am just juggling too many discussions at once :laughing: While I’m interested in discussing both of those topics as a community too, when it comes to interviews I agree it’s not really in question whether we should do them in the first place, only: > [@jonah](#): > > I’m actually just asking about notability, because nobody’s bothered to make a Cape post here in the years they’ve been around, so maybe nobody cares. And indeed it sounds like everyone would be interested in us doing an interview with Cape. --- ## Post 15 by @anon7180143 — 2026-05-14T15:44:32Z > [@jonah](#): > > I am just juggling too many discussions at once :laughing: I’m now thinking it’s time for you to decide if anything you do online as a “public figure” and a non profit project director, whether any content you put out there is PG content (by default) or not (as that’s how it may be thought of). The more PG grows and the more people learn about and of you, the more the conflation will be of “Jonah Aragon” and “Privacy Guides” with respect to privacy and security related content including company profiles and product interviews. This is something to think about. --- ## Post 16 by @privacyisconsent — 2026-05-14T18:19:19Z This might be a bit off topic, but are PrivacyGuides looking (as initiators) to interview any of the following groups of people? - people who consistently find major vulnerabilities in categories of privacy tools (for example LTE/NR networks etc.) - industry vets/engineers that can e.g. disambiguate Apple’s mob network location privacy or audit Phreeli/Cape claims - people standardising and pushing privacy enhancing protocols at IETF/GSMA/equivalent bodies An interview with Cape is in isolation is less compelling than an interview with Cape in addition to all the possible context above. Order doesn’t seem too important to me. --- ## Post 17 by @Chloride8924 — 2026-05-15T10:25:46Z Yes, worth a closer look. Can’t say more but the team is legit. They had Group SMS issues but I think those are resolved now. --- ## Post 18 by @ph00lt0 — 2026-05-15T10:35:11Z I suppose this is US only? Also, I wonder how these prices compare to “normal" plans in the US. Basically because I have the same unlimited data for about 5 USD a month right now. --- ## Post 19 by @coldiron — 2026-05-15T13:36:28Z > [@ph00lt0](#): > > I wonder how these prices compare to “normal" plans in the US I have an AT&T unlimited plan for $44/mo (work subsidizes it). Quick lookup and it looks like Mint offers Unlimited for $30/mo (prepaid) and Visible offers $20/mo monthly unlimited plan (goes up to $25/mo after your first year). Personally I wouldn’t want to pay $70/mo unless my salary doubled lol. $50/mo with the referral is a little more manageable, but still if I was paying out of pocket I’m not sure if I’d even have a data plan all the time. --- ## Post 20 by @jonah — 2026-05-15T14:56:46Z > [@ph00lt0](#): > > Also, I wonder how these prices compare to “normal" plans in the US. Most people I know are on postpaid plans that are like $100/month/line. That definitely comes way down with 4+ lines (which they all have, family plans), but so does Cape’s prepaid plans. Frugal/wiser people will certainly switch to these other prepaid plans like Mint or Visible but this is not the norm (weirdly tbh), they’re still like $25 at least, and maybe you get less paying a full 12 months upfront. As a non-profit our volunteers have access to an _exceptional_ unlimited hotspot data plan and that is still 10 USD monthly. Do you know how big the US is? $5 would not be tenable :joy: > [@coldiron](#): > > Personally I wouldn’t want to pay $70/mo unless my salary doubled lol. $50/mo with the referral is a little more manageable I agree, if they want mass adoption they won’t really be able to drop this current pricing. I can see why they would think their previous $99/month price is worth it for what they offer, but it’s untenable for a lot of people. It’s like, I was just at an art fair and looking at this handcrafted wooden coffee table, $2000. I can do the math on how much time it probably took to craft, and is that $2000 a “fair” value? Almost certainly yes, but I’m sure as hell still not gonna pay $2000 for it. That’s for rich people to do and I’ll pick it up for $50 at a garage sale in 10 years lol If they go back up to $99 it’ll basically become a service exclusively for cryptocurrency holders uber-concerned about SIM swap attacks. Even at $50 though, I think it has a lot of potential for a lot of people to pick it up, and I do think we largely would benefit from more adoption of tech like this. If I were Cape I would probably change my pricing to $70 base, $30 off (with $10 off the referee side) for your first referral, and another $10 off both sides for subsequent referrals. This would be a tiny bit worse for some people, a little bit better for others, but probably a bit more sustainable for them. I’m no economist though, I guess these are vibe-based numbers they probably gave more thought about lol Or just keep it as-is, I think this is currently a good deal even for people who don’t make referrals. --- ## Post 21 by @ph00lt0 — 2026-05-15T15:48:54Z Damn i really did not know the prices were thay high in the US still. I pay about 5 euro monthly for unlimited data (i have a very good deal) but i don’t think anyone pays more than 35 euro a month here for that. --- ## Post 22 by @jonah — 2026-05-15T16:20:30Z $100 is like top tier to be fair but it’s still usually like, $85 for those postpaid plans. I know even single college students who pay this full price without a family plan though, mostly because 1. it comes with an iPhone, and 2. they know their parents used it :roll_eyes: This is stupid though and they should just pay for US Mobile / Mint / Visible, plus a [monthly iPhone plan](https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program) instead if that’s what they really want to spend their money on. --- ## Post 23 by @No_Name — 2026-05-15T19:41:23Z > [@jonah](#): > > This is stupid though and they should just pay for US Mobile / Mint / Visible You can correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I understand it is that even though someone such as Mint Mobile may be using for example T-Mobiles towers for their network as well, the service still wouldn’t be as good in a lot of areas (mainly rural) because they don’t use ALL of T-Mobiles towers. They only use a fraction of them that they lease/rent. --- ## Post 24 by @jonah — 2026-05-15T20:05:05Z > [@No_Name](#): > > They only use a fraction of them that they lease/rent. I am not an MVNO expert. I have _heard_ this recently, but I have not yet seen actual evidence showing this is the case. Again I could just not be aware though. They _do_ almost always have _deprioritized_ service. Usually data is [prioritized](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoContract/comments/1mxogtx/data_prioritization_policies_of_the_carriers_and/) like, 1. First responders [they all have special plans for these people but that is irrelevant to most of us] 2. Business 3. Postpaid users 4. The carrier’s own prepaid plans 5. MVNOs 6. Home internet plans On some carriers some of these might be on the same tiers or there are sub-tiers, so it’s just as a _general_ rule. Some MVNOs can also negotiate better deals. I know US Mobile has higher priority as an add-on on AT&T. This is something I’m gonna ask them about if I get a chance though. --- ## Post 25 by @No_Name — 2026-05-15T23:38:15Z You can check, but I’m almost positive that’s how it works which why they can offer a cheaper rate. I believe if you’re in the city, you can choose between the companies and wouldn’t really notice a difference, but if you’re in the middle of Oklahoma somewhere You’d probably be shit out of luck for a phone signal. However, they usually get decent service as long as you’re close to an interstate --- ## Post 26 by @M-A9NPV — 2026-05-16T16:48:31Z I’m curious to know which network infrastructure they use. --- ## Post 27 by @anon7180143 — 2026-05-16T17:03:09Z A little bit of research is all you need to learn more: > **[FAQs - Cape](https://www.cape.co/faqs)** > > Cape is premium wireless coverage with an added layer of personal security. Talk, text, and live with the confidence that you’re protected. --- ## Post 28 by @M-A9NPV — 2026-05-16T17:21:10Z Thanks. I didn’t scroll down far enough. --- ## Post 29 by @robots.txt — 2026-05-16T19:06:09Z Great video. I’m concerned about the what was mentioned in the downsides. Because CEO is ex-palantir, and personally I do not think this is good thing. Maybe they have realized that the company was bad or not lining up with their own principles and wanted to have change. Or maybe they knew what was the company about. But I want to believe they had “change of heart” and wanted to do the opposite than what they maybe did earlier… but I might stay away from cape for now and just monitor now