# Tuta Drive First Look: The Encrypted Workspace Big Tech Won't Build **URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/tuta-drive-first-look-the-encrypted-workspace-big-tech-wont-build/37183 **Category:** General **Tags:** video **Created:** 2026-04-16T08:54:23Z **Posts:** 27 ## Post 1 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-16T08:54:24Z > **[Tuta Drive First Look: The Encrypted Workspace Big Tech Won't Build](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcpEwYMXYBQ)** > > Tuta just launched their encrypted cloud storage in closed beta, Tuta Drive, and I got early access. This is what I think of Tuta's full zero-knowledge works... New from Techlore! --- ## Post 2 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-16T08:56:11Z > **[Tuta Drive First Look: The Encrypted Platform That Does What Google and Apple...](https://techlore.tech/tuta-drive-first-look-the-encrypted-platform-that-does-what-google-and-apple-wont/)** > > Tuta just launched their encrypted cloud storage in closed beta, completing a compelling zero-knowledge workspace with email, calendar, contacts, and drive. Here's my first look at what's there, what's missing, and why this is bigger than just... Written post. --- ## Post 3 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-16T12:23:22Z Tuta’s post on the same: > **[Tuta Drive launches in closed beta! A milestone in the development of Tuta’s...](https://tuta.com/blog/tuta-drive-in-beta-launch)** > > Say hello to Tuta Drive! A new generation of cloud storage: End-to-end encrypted by default and easy to use. --- ## Post 4 by @PurpleDime — 2026-04-17T11:49:27Z It’s still very early days, but I hope Tuta can come up with a great product. I remember them saying in the past that they had no intention of launching a whole suite, criticizing Proton for going that direction. I am curious what their long term strategy is. Because although they are the 2nd most popular E2EE email service, other email privacy companies are popping up. And once one of them starts becoming popular, other companies are likely going to follow Proton’s direction by developing a suite. Right now Tuta is ahead of those companies, and it’s important that they capitalize on their lead to do whatever they think is best. I just hope it works and that they are successful. --- ## Post 5 by @Pragmatic — 2026-04-17T12:45:51Z I really hope Tuta succeeds and doesn’t end up like Proton, just churning out more and more services. It’s annoying. Email, a calendar and a drive are more than enough; I’m waiting for the official release of their drive to switch over to them completely. --- ## Post 6 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-17T12:49:58Z I would wait until they make it a stable product. I wonder if we will have a native app for Linux. --- ## Post 7 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-17T12:51:39Z > [@PurpleDime](#): > > And once one of them starts becoming popular, they are likely going to follow Proton’s direction by developing a suite I’m betting the opposite. They won’t keep expanding into a suite but only keep and improve their existing products a lot more. Tuta is akin to Mullvad. Select few products so the focus is only on making it the best first. --- ## Post 8 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-17T12:52:12Z > [@PurpleDime](#): > > Right now Tuta is ahead of those companies How do you mean ahead? And which companies? Just Proton? --- ## Post 9 by @Regime6045 — 2026-04-17T12:53:00Z There’s lots of E2EE clouds now. What they need to be competitive: - sync clients for desktop, including Linux - mobile apps (including photo upload etc.) - API that can be used by apps like Foldersync (Mega and Filen have it, for example) - ideally some way to edit files in a web browser like the mainstream clouds can do - Cryptpad shows that it’s possible (they have OnlyOffice + E2EE in the browser) --- ## Post 10 by @Pragmatic — 2026-04-17T12:54:14Z Tuta had actually stated that they didn’t want to end up like Proton by developing a whole suite of software, but rather wanted to focus on the essentials. --- ## Post 11 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-17T12:57:09Z > [@Regime6045](#): > > API that can be used by apps like Foldersync (Mega and Filen have it, for example) Don’t think this will ever happen. Their cryptography is custom like their email and that’s why it’s not compatible with PGP. And plug ins are a horrible way to go about it. > [@Regime6045](#): > > deally some way to edit files in a web browser like the mainstream clouds can do - Cryptpad shows that it’s possible (they have OnlyOffice + E2EE in the browse This will take a long long time. They took more than 5 years just to deliver on conversation mode in their inbox. That time delay really made me give up on them. They are only good at very select things and that’s it. One should not expect it to have all the bells and whistles of a fully fledged mature product even when out of stable and fully made. Their products are MVP but stable and functional with excellent privacy and security. And that’s it. What I think I know for sure is again like their other products, Drive will be for the most sensitive info and not really made to be used as an everyday file storage and management tool. It’s for storage primarily, not file and folder management everyday. --- ## Post 12 by @PurpleDime — 2026-04-17T13:01:51Z > [@anon96036341](#): > > I’m betting the opposite. They won’t keep expanding into a suite but only keep and improve their existing products a lot more. Tuta is akin to Mullvad. Select few products so the focus is only on making it the best first. You misunderstood my quote. I was saying that other E2EE email companies are likely to follow Proton by creating a suite if they succeed with email. I wasn’t saying that Tuta will go that direction. But that if their competitors who are currently far behind become successful and follow Proton’s footsteps, I hope Tuta has a good strategy. I don’t want Tuta to lose their current lead for lack of vision or innovation. I want them to be competitive, whatever strategy they choose. > [@anon96036341](#): > > ![](https://forum-cdn.privacyguides.net/user_avatar/discuss.privacyguides.net/purpledime/48/4885_2.png) PurpleDime: > > > Right now Tuta is ahead of those companies > > How do you mean ahead? And which companies? Just Proton? I mean that when it comes to E2EE email providers, Proton and Tuta are by far in the lead, with Proton being considerably ahead of Tuta. The other E2EE email providers are not even close to being as popular or trusted by the privacy community at large. But I’m sure that’s not going to be the case forever. I’m sure a third and fourth player are gonna come along and be very competitive. This is pure speculation, but IMHO, Skiff was on its way to becoming the third big player in the E2EE email space, but they fumbled the bag. --- ## Post 13 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-17T13:03:32Z > [@PurpleDime](#): > > t they fumbled the bag. They’d argue they won in capitalism. --- ## Post 14 by @PurpleDime — 2026-04-17T13:07:35Z > [@anon96036341](#): > > They’d argue they won in capitalism. As far as the founders are concerned, they won a bunch of money, and I am guessing stable employment for a couple of years if they decided to stay. But as far as Skiff the product is concerned, it remains to be seen what Notion does with it, and if they can spin it into a new successful product. --- ## Post 15 by @anon96036341 — 2026-04-17T13:08:37Z Skiff is dead. It ain’t coming back. Notion needed the talent behind Skiff. Not Skiff. I think that should be clear now. Why else would Notion wanted it shut down when it was growing. --- ## Post 16 by @PurpleDime — 2026-04-17T13:26:28Z > [@anon96036341](#): > > ear now. Why else would Notion wanted it shut down when it was growing. I see. But I assumed that was because they are planning to launch a similar service integrated into Notion. Is that not the case? --- ## Post 17 by @trilobyte — 2026-04-17T13:57:08Z This could happen. If it did, Proton having another competitor at their level could still be good overall. the other smaller email providers will also still exist. Nonetheless, I think drive pairs well with email because the emails already take up storage. You can upload a file by sending it as an attachment. Therefore a formal drive let’s you upload more directly with larger files, manage them more easily, and hopefully the extra storage can be used to store more emails too. Those of us with decades of emails can easily have 10GB or more. Drive therefore is very closely related to email service, in my view. You can have drive without email, but every email provider involves some type of cloud storage. What really keeps me on Proton free is their email search, which seems to be as good as unencrypted searches. From what I’ve read, the others have issues, even if the provider is working on it. Someone tell me if another provider has now gotten them working well . I’d like to support a smaller provider like posteo or [mailbox.org](http://mailbox.org), but it sounds like they have problems in terms of functionality. --- ## Post 18 by @notwithstanding — 2026-04-17T14:10:20Z Emails are almost completely disjoint from one another, whereas filesystem storage (“Drive”) is often structured. You could reasonably store emails in an object storage database like S3, whereas you require hurdles to usefully represent files and folders in such a format. This given, I really don’t think email suits itself to drive storage companion very much more than any other cloud-hosted data. Just about every single computer-based application requires some kind of account and associated storage of data. Email doesn’t feel very special in that regard. More topically, I recall an interview with a Tuta representative on The Hated One’s YouTube channel where they stated that they weren’t interested in introducing drive storage, because they understood the importance of not having your eggs in a single basket—and just focusing on email. Well, lo’ and behold, they are introducing drive storage. I don’t see their new commitment to “only the essentials” as any more credible than their commitment to “just email” was. --- ## Post 19 by @Pragmatic — 2026-04-17T14:19:13Z The only service Tuta would be missing after the drive is something like SimpleLogin or Addy integrated directly into Tuta Mail; no VPN, Wallet, office suite or even an AI like Lumo, and it would be perfect. --- ## Post 20 by @trilobyte — 2026-04-17T14:44:06Z I mean yes, you could say this about other cloud solutions. I don’t think it’s more related with email, just that if you’re providing email then it’s closely related. The most pertinent difference with email is that we can be talking about tens of gigabytes of files due to attachments, whereas it’s hard to get anywhere near that with spreadsheets, contacts, or what have you. As for trust, I save that for individuals I have a history with, not for-profit companies made up of various people. --- ## Post 21 by @Cyber-Typhoon — 2026-04-17T16:05:02Z There is one more issue with Tuta that seems unavoidable due to its design, it doesn’t support third-party email clients (like Thunderbird), so you can’t properly archive emails locally in the traditional way. Your options are to use their client to “archive” emails, manually export them, pay for more storage, or delete them. --- ## Post 22 by @PurpleDime — 2026-04-17T16:12:22Z > [@trilobyte](#): > > This could happen. If it did, Proton having another competitor at their level could still be good overall. the other smaller email providers will also still exist. You’re the second person to misinterpret what I said, and now I realize that this is totally my fault. This is what originally said: > [@PurpleDime](#): > > Because although they are the 2nd most popular E2EE email service, other email privacy companies are popping up. And once one of them starts becoming popular, _ **they** _ are likely going to follow Proton’s direction by developing a suite. By _ **they** _ I did not mean Tuta. I meant other companies, as in the other private email companies outside of Proton and Tuta that are trying to get a slice of the pie. But I understand why people thought I meant Tuta because it wasn’t clear who I was referring to with the pronoun _ **they** _. I have since edited my comment to make it clear. For the record, I don’t have an issue with Tuta building a suite, but if they do, I hope they do it differently than Proton. I also think it’s hard to play catch up when Proton is so far ahead. But Tuta is also way ahead of the rest of the competition in the E2EE email space, but’s it’s crucial for them not to lose that lead, and capitalize it as best they can. If they don’t, someone else will take over and become Proton Mail’s main competitor in the privacy space. > [@trilobyte](#): > > Drive therefore is very closely related to email service, in my view. You can have drive without email, but every email provider involves some type of cloud storage. I agree. > [@trilobyte](#): > > What really keeps me on Proton free is their email search, which seems to be as good as unencrypted searches. **When you say Proton free do you mean that your Proton account is free?** I haven’t gotten the chance to fully appreciate that as I have more emails in Tuta than Proton. However, I did notice that once you start accumulating a lot of emails, and trust me, a single year is enough, you really need to have good search. And yeah, I find that Tuta’s is a bit lacking. I just recenlty had to go through 600+ emails on Gmail, and boy did I appreciate the quality of search. We need the same for E2EE emails. I want to see advance search where you can filter emails with specific characteristics. > [@Pragmatic](#): > > The only service Tuta would be missing after the drive is something like SimpleLogin or Addy integrated directly into Tuta Mail; I agree. But if they launch an alias provider they have to find a way to be innovative. Proton was the first to integrate aliases into a password manager which IMO, was a strike of genius. Not saying Tuta should follow that model, but so far no other password manager has done this. Right now, I don’t think Tuta has the work capacity to work on a password manager. Moreover, if they did, IMO they would have to modernize their entire UI. --- ## Post 23 by @trilobyte — 2026-04-17T16:35:16Z By they I did not mean Tuta. I meant other companies, as in the other private email companies outside of Proton and Tuta that are trying to get a slice of the pie. Makes sense. I think it’s a question of resources. Posteo is unlikely to add drive any time soon for instance. > When you say Proton free do you mean that your Proton account is free? … I just recenlty had to go through 600+ emails on Gmail, and boy did I appreciate the quality of search. Yeah, I can’t bring myself to sub, as I’m on a limited income and Proton email is relatively expensive. Right now, I’m using Proton in conjunction with Duck aliases through Bitwarden. For now I have two personal duck aliases, one for random alias generation and another I directed my family to use with me, that both are going to Proton. So far I don’t have a lot of emails in Proton and I will be limited to 1GB, but I can say gmail is excellent at searching a very large amount. I have always had to log in through browser if I needed to find something, since I never could in Thunderbird. People with PGP encrypted emails say that search is even worse than that, including through IMAP. I would pay $20 per year for basic email with an official app, ability to search large amounts of emails accurately (even if it’s slower than gmail), and at rest encryption of all email data. It doesn’t seem like there’s one. Either you compromise on the search with Tuta or you get either Proton free or the expensive subscription, at which point subject lines and contacts are still not encrypted. My basic system could also be replicated with a purchasing a domain name and using an [addy.io](http://addy.io) subscription to redirect that personal domain to Proton or Tuta. That would get it around that $20 range for something a little better than Duck aliases (duck has no DKIM, no two factor, goes to spam folder, etc). But the duck aliases are adequate and people aren’t too confused by hearing “[duck.com](http://duck.com)” like they are with other domains. --- ## Post 24 by @PurpleDime — 2026-04-17T16:46:51Z > [@trilobyte](#): > > Yeah, I can’t bring myself to sub, as I’m on a limited income and Proton email is relatively expensive. I get it. I used Proton Mail for free for good number of years before I could afford to upgrade. > [@trilobyte](#): > > with Duck aliases through Bitwarden What do you mean by that? Can Duck aliases be integrated to BitWarden? > [@trilobyte](#): > > duck has no DKIM What’s DKIM? > [@trilobyte](#): > > people aren’t too confused by hearing “[duck.com](http://duck.com)” like they are with other domains. Yes, that it true. Whenever I have to use an alias that I know I’m going to have to give to real people, I try to use one that is really simple. --- ## Post 25 by @trilobyte — 2026-04-17T16:57:19Z > [@PurpleDime](#): > > What do you mean by that? Can Duck aliases be integrated to BitWarden? Yes. When you go to generate in bitwarden, there’s an option for usernames. You can choose duck, then insert the API key. Getting the API key is confusing but possible. > **[How to get unlimited masked emails to keep your inbox secure, private](https://www.pcworld.com/article/2217318/how-to-get-unlimited-masked-emails-to-keep-your-inbox-secure-and-private.html)** > > A tutorial on connecting Bitwarden's password manager to DuckDuckGo's email alias service. This is the main reason I switched to bitwarden, as it’s very convenient. You also get a list of duck aliases you generated. > What’s DKIM? I learned about this recently, but I’ll share my basic understanding. With emails, there is a risk of [email spoofing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing). Email providers instituted some measures to prevent this. They can write a DMARC policy, which the receiving provider can check to see if the email looks real. The sending provider can also use SPF or DKIM to sign the emails, which the receiving email can use to verify the integrity of the emails. If an email fails a check, usually the receiving email provider will still accept it, but it will go to spam and often is labeled with something like “possible phishing attempt.” Duckduckgo has a SPF and a DMARC policy, but seem to not use DKIM. Therefore it lacks one of the ways receiving email providers verify authenticity. The difference between SPF and DKIM is not clear to me, nor are the implications of having one or the other but not both, so maybe someone else can explain this better. There isn’t a lot of easy to understand information about this topic. --- ## Post 26 by @arise1984 — 2026-04-19T19:39:56Z > [@trilobyte](#): > > The difference between SPF and DKIM is not clear to me Spf is closer to dmarc than it is to dkim. Dkim is for signalling to receiving server which valid key the outgoing mail are/will be signed with. Spf is to signal to receiving server which outgoing server are allowed to send mail on behalf of the domain. Dmarc is to signal/instruct to the receiving server of what to do (either quarantine as spam or outright reject) if dkim aren’t aligned (either unsigned, or signed with unknown key) or spf aren’t aligned (mail received from unknown outgoing server, aren’t specified in the spf). Anyway, on topic, i really, really hope Tuta android drive client allow manual defining folder to sync ala RoundSync and FolderSync. Ideally further allow choose sync either 1 way or both way. Among the 1st party drive client for android i believe only Mega and Nexcloud have that. --- ## Post 27 by @Tech_User_Station — 2026-05-06T06:00:04Z On Reddit, they state their timeline will be: Web integrations into Tuta Mail & Calendar → Desktop clients including Linux If they prioritize by market share, Linux will come last.