# Remove ProtonVPN

**URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/remove-protonvpn/33980
**Category:** Tool Suggestions
**Created:** 2025-12-19T14:24:09Z
**Posts:** 359
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## Post 136 by @ignoramous — 2025-12-31T12:01:03Z

> **offtopic**
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> > [@fiqiluvo.epileto](#):
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> > This kind of powertrip is precisely why i dislike PG discourse.
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> Think @anon57862721 urged you to start a new thread on the marketing stuff. It is a valid concern.
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> I’ve brought this up before to no avail: [Thread on r/privacy on Reddit Critical of Privacy Guides Forum - #45 by ignoramous](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/thread-on-r-privacy-on-reddit-critical-of-privacy-guides-forum/32531/45)

> [@anon61753997](#):
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> All of this derails from my #1 recommendation.

You named your recommendation aptly. You’re indeed proposing weaker guarantees which deviate away from what both PG & public VPN providers claim to enforce.

> [@Change Proposal on Privacy Guides Recommended VPN Providers Page](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/change-proposal-on-privacy-guides-recommended-vpn-providers-page/34153/37):
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> Without a “killswitch”, I don’t think a VPN can lay any claim to accomplish that (a client-side guarantee is hard to provide without a client-side implementation to match). In fact, 2 of the 4 points PG makes for why one must “almost certainly” use VPNs are not sound, I don’t think: [Mention kill switch leaks caused by OS limitations - #4 by ignoramous](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mention-kill-switch-leaks-caused-by-os-limitations/34195/4)

And as mentioned above, the discussion to change the criteria to accomodate Proton is happening on this thread (not here): [Change Proposal on Privacy Guides Recommended VPN Providers Page - #37 by ignoramous](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/change-proposal-on-privacy-guides-recommended-vpn-providers-page/34153/37)

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