# Remove Brave **URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/remove-brave/12363 **Category:** Tool Suggestions **Tags:** rejected **Created:** 2023-04-15T14:37:43Z **Posts:** 64 ## Post 1 by @stnert — 2023-04-15T14:37:43Z I suggest watching this video to see some of the main sources of controversy in this browser. The final straw was when he leaked user information while browsing the Darknet (Tor’s incognito tab, present on Brave) > **[- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocBfnI8dXzU)** > > Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Thanks --- ## Post 2 by @Valynor — 2023-04-15T16:29:40Z 2 years old video (also a YouTuber talking about their opinion on something is not necessarily a valid reason for anything). Brave addressed the issue promptly, it has long been fixed. --- ## Post 3 by @stnert — 2023-04-15T16:33:24Z There are newer videos, one in portuguese [brazilian] in which he even uses Wireshark to pick up traffic even with the BAT stops disabled and sending it to a random server. --- ## Post 4 by @anon43879818 — 2023-04-15T17:29:27Z > [@stnert](#): > > The final straw was when he leaked user information while browsing the Darknet (Tor’s incognito tab, present on Brave) PG recommends not using Tor inside Brave in the first place. --- ## Post 5 by @Valynor — 2023-04-15T18:27:28Z Brave has been analyzed with an intercepting proxy by this well known German IT security specialist: > **[Brave: Datensendeverhalten Desktop-Version – Browser-Check Teil1](https://www.kuketz-blog.de/brave-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil1/)** > > Eine Analyse des Datensendeverhaltens des Brave-Browsers zeigt: So ganz passt die Außendarstellung bzw. das Versprechen zum Schutz der Privatsphäre nicht zum tatsächlichen Verhalten in der Praxis. While it’s not a perfect result he found nothing like you alleged. --- ## Post 6 by @stnert — 2023-04-15T18:41:12Z > **[- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7gd8CqXik4&t=926s)** > > Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. This one convinced me the most, so far. --- ## Post 7 by @anon43879818 — 2023-04-15T19:17:23Z Maybe give the points of the video yourself in English. Not everyone understands Portuguese and they won’t be able to reply --- ## Post 8 by @stnert — 2023-04-15T21:15:07Z [https://www.slant.co/topics/1507/viewpoints/19/~best-desktop-web-browsers~brave](https://www.slant.co/topics/1507/viewpoints/19/~best-desktop-web-browsers~brave) "Brave Software is a for-profit company (though users must opt into Brave ads and Brave doesn’t track users.) " And this comment here, what do you have to say? --- ## Post 9 by @stnert — 2023-04-15T21:18:56Z My point is that Brave is bloatware. Maybe more than Chromium… --- ## Post 10 by @anon43879818 — 2023-04-15T21:21:38Z > [@stnert](#): > > My point is that Brave is bloatware If that’s your point then you’re correct, for example their Tor mode is bloat in my opinion. But its still not a reason to remove it from the recommendations. --- ## Post 11 by @marsh — 2023-04-15T21:37:08Z Maybe we should highlight things that Brave does that can compromise the user, like leaking timezone, whitelisting domains, connecting to random servers of crypto even when it’s disabled etc. Also, the warning of not using Tor with it should be more highlighted. These changes will make users’ choice more reliable. --- ## Post 12 by @stnert — 2023-04-15T21:44:17Z And also do what Firefox does (about:config), leave it disabled and configure it to our liking --- ## Post 13 by @AcostaJA — 2023-04-19T02:22:43Z Eu falo portugaise and I found it absolute BS or FUD as the other vold videos , I invite ppl here to check it even using a translator. I’m strong critic of Mozilla (and its sad management of the sooner than later defunct Firefox), also I’m a Brave user (and Tor Browser user). My Opinion: **Brave provides the stronger Privacy? NO, but reasonable good privacy,** low resource and only navigator with functional Web3 integration with strong hardware wallet support, for ppl in crypto is a paramount important factor. **Is Brave safe for browsing darknet sites: STRONG NO, despite it includes TOR** , it is useful only to protect crypto transactions in brave but I wont bet my freedom on Brave. Firefox: much community loved, actually it sees thousands users leaving it every month, Mozilla is doing an excellent job destroying it. Tor Browser: as Based on firefox LTS dont suffer same lever of issues (memory/cpu hungry), as now the Best (and albeit only) Browser for moreless safe Darknet exploration (still dont bet your freedom on Tor Browser), but sadly it depends on Firefox which dont have a clear future as its user base shrinks everyday (search at reddit about FIREFOX RAM or FIREFOX MEMORY and you’ll see the BIG PINK ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM\*\*), at some point someone has to take firefox from Mozilla fork it and deliver an proper maintained and BS free browser which again engage ppl love.\*\* Some people is jealous about Brave as Brendan Eich is strong vocal conservative, some others because are hysteric about crypto and fear it more than cancer. I dont know who you are but your bias is evident, if you want respect you should better sustain your claims, your Bias is quite evident. --- ## Post 14 by @stnert — 2023-04-19T16:12:42Z I totally agree. Maybe I’ll reconsider Brave one day, but only when they let BAT be completely disabled by the user. --- ## Post 15 by @AcostaJA — 2023-04-19T22:47:32Z I have BAT FULLY disabled long ago (optout its easy, but opt-in should not be default), further Brave’s native multichain wallet isn’t available to receive or send BAT rewards. --- ## Post 16 by @marsh — 2023-04-19T23:01:51Z Actually even if you turn all the crypto and ad stuff off, Brave stills connecting to crypto domains. They also don’t have an opt-out for whitelist on the adblocker and enable by default the Tor window. --- ## Post 17 by @AcostaJA — 2023-04-20T02:02:17Z Both wrong, brave://settings/web3 clearly provides options to disable crypto domains (itself not a privacy issue as both resolves on data fetch from IPFS or its respective blockchain). and hardcoded whitelist isnt anymore ( you refer to : [Facebook, Twitter Trackers Whitelisted by Brave Browser](https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/facebook-twitter-trackers-whitelisted-by-brave-browser/) ) wasn´t an anti-privacy provision but a needed temporal workaround properly addressed, someone late presented an issue asking some whitelist, this whas the answer [Add to Brave whitelist: Just Read · Issue #9797 · brave/brave-browser · GitHub](https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/9797) “WE DONT WHITELIST ANYMORE” Have more FUD to debunk ? I’m here while allowed by mods. --- ## Post 18 by @marsh — 2023-04-20T14:05:02Z Sorry, I didn’t know that they had fixed these issues. Also, something that I remembered now is that they have telemetry opt-out and the Brave Today thing being also opt-out. I think it would be better to be opt-in. Thanks for the clarifications anyways. --- ## Post 19 by @AcostaJA — 2023-04-21T00:13:03Z I agree from an strict privacy standpoint these features should be opt-in, same thing on basic vanilla Firefox without opting out a bunch of things it’s as harmful as chrome. --- ## Post 20 by @Valynor — 2023-04-21T12:29:10Z It is opt-in so you don’t even have to disable it. :slight_smile: --- ## Post 21 by @jonah — 2023-05-01T14:41:06Z 4 posts were split to a new topic: [Is there an Android browser that does not leak your timezone?](/t/is-there-an-android-browser-that-does-not-leak-your-timezone/12515) --- ## Post 22 by @Ozzy — 2023-09-24T13:11:29Z Brave is one of browsers that i use occasionally, but after reading this: [The shady world of Brave selling copyrighted data for AI training](https://stackdiary.com/brave-selling-copyrighted-data-for-ai-training/) well i’m a bit worried. --- ## Post 23 by @3QVvxrhnYZ — 2023-09-26T10:51:57Z With all the controversies and fears people have regarding Brave, it is still the best browser to recommend to the majority for many reasons, and is still the best Chromuim-based browser for general use. Brave is the happy medium we have in the browser arena. It is a highly private browser, with many very useful features integrated into it, it pulls updates from upstream quite fast, and at the same time we can be sure the browser will be maintained for the foreseeable future, as it is backed by an enterprise. It shouldn’t be removed from PrivacyGuides unless Brave succumbs to severe enshi\*\*fication. --- ## Post 24 by @anon48875053 — 2024-04-28T17:47:23Z > [@Latest Brave for Android has a hard dependency on Google Play Services/microG](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/latest-brave-for-android-has-a-hard-dependency-on-google-play-services-microg/18085): > > I briefly posted then deleted this a few days back but it is still reproducible. See also [Brave Google Play Services dependence · Issue #22253 · brave/brave-browser · GitHub](https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/22253#issuecomment-1758316855) To recap: this dependence on Google Play Services is expected and we don’t have plans to address. --- ## Post 25 by @anon48875053 — 2024-04-28T17:50:48Z I think we should consider removing Brave for Android and consider recommending Mulch or Cromite instead. Also, is there anything keeping Vanadium from being added to recommendations? > > > Going to add this, as we don't want GrapheneOS users to think they should be usi…ng Brave instead. > > https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/vanadium-grapheneos-web-browser/12828 --- ## Post 26 by @Sharply — 2024-04-28T18:07:35Z I feel like we should wait to see how Brave responds before jumping the gun. If Brave refuses to fix this, then I’d agree with its removal. --- ## Post 27 by @Sharply — 2024-04-28T18:08:39Z This was discussed here: > [@Vanadium (GrapheneOS Web Browser)](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/vanadium-grapheneos-web-browser/12828): > > Why is Brave recommended and Vanadium isn’t? I’m a GrapheneOS user, and I don’t see why I should install Brave and use it over Vanadium. --- ## Post 28 by @anon48875053 — 2024-04-28T18:09:52Z Response from VP of Engineering at Brave: > Thanks for the report folks - this is a known issue > > We depend on Google Play Services for Safe Browsing, Brave Rewards, and more. > > To recap: this dependence on Google Play Services is expected and we don’t have plans to address. --- ## Post 29 by @Sharply — 2024-04-28T18:11:29Z That was in response to the general issue of removing Google Play Dependencies from Brave before this issue happened. Some features not working vs. the entire app being broken is completely different, so I hope they’ll be willing to fix it. --- ## Post 30 by @anon59474973 — 2024-04-28T19:48:37Z > [@anon48875053](#): > > Also, is there anything keeping Vanadium from being added to recommendations? If there is, I’d say it’s because it is only available on GrapheneOS currently. They do plan to make it available for other Android OSes but that hasn’t happened yet and it won’t be as hardened. --- ## Post 31 by @Average_Joe — 2024-05-30T03:21:25Z One thing I found weird with Brave was that its default setting was to “update in the background” even if the Brave App was closed on my Windows 10 PC??? :scream: :scream: --- ## Post 32 by @donutfreak — 2024-05-30T18:42:54Z I’m ok with background updates to what is probably the biggest target we hold on our computers for security. Brave on Linux doesn’t auto update. But when new browsers are available to install, that’s my queue to update my system when I have some free time to recover any side effects. --- ## Post 33 by @PrivacyRights330 — 2024-05-30T18:49:43Z I want to like Brave, I really do. I trust my gut instinct in thinking there is something off with them or maybe it’s because I dislike the Chromium engine because Google has its filthy paws all over the code and has made it its girlfriend! --- ## Post 34 by @Sprout3425 — 2024-06-01T02:29:05Z The entire aesthetic and mentality of Brave seems very tacky, juvenile, capitalist and non-neutral, I do not like it. However, this is by no means exclusive to Brave. In essence, the browser does not pretend to take a neutral unbiased standpoint. It just looks very unprofessional. --- ## Post 35 by @Average_Joe — 2024-06-14T19:09:52Z > [@PrivacyRights330](#): > > I want to like Brave, I really do. I trust my gut instinct in thinking there is something off with them or maybe it’s because I dislike the Chromium engine because Google has its filthy paws all over the code and has made it its girlfriend! What do you suggest in its place then? --- ## Post 37 by @xayem19368 — 2024-07-13T13:40:13Z > **[Google Chromium, sans integration with Google](https://ungoogled-software.github.io/)** > > A lightweight approach to removing Google web service dependency. --- ## Post 38 by @Cyber-Typhoon — 2024-07-13T14:52:47Z I watched this one now. It starts around 5 minutes. Before is just a repeated message that browsers aren’t bullet proof but more focused on repeating the Brave word. The first point is about the embedded tracker protection from Brave, it criticizes the marketing made by the company regarding its capabilities, fair enough but a bit misleading because it doesn’t really make it weak like he wants it to sound. Then he says around 7:56 that Brave blocks all ads except those that are part of the program awards which I believe you can actually opt out this, not sure. After that he reproduced the Irish study that classified Brave as the most private Browser among 5 candidates but he used Linux instead of MacOS or Win and he affirms that his traffic sent data to websites included in the Brave Awards program and some telemetry, he said that his telemetry option was disabled and still Brave was sending data out. Isn’t this already fixed? It is a 2 years video. Around 14 minutes he starts to talk about Chromium security issues which I think totally deviated the focus but I’m probably biased. Honest was difficult for me to watch it, I feel a bit tired to enter in those discussions. It compared fingerprint with TOR which isn’t really a fair fight and is not the purpose of the tool. Finally, 18 minutes bring back the coins polemic and the president stupid reaction. Then it finishes it talking about the included Google Search option by default in the search bar on Brave. He concludes saying that it is better in privacy than Chrome and Edge, then says that it is similar to Firefox in terms of privacy both without any changes. He considers Firefox with changes more private then Brave in a computer. Which basically aligns a bit with I believe what we see discussed here. It closes the video recommending the dead Bromite if you are looking for a Chromium browser. I think the video was a bit of alarmist, exaggerated and the main point was to vent about the Brave program awards to get to similar conclusions that we already have about the browser. It was kind of a 23 minutes wasted. --- ## Post 39 by @Bhaelros — 2024-07-13T15:09:36Z From my DNS logs on Windows browser. | [go-updater.brave.com](http://go-updater.brave.com) | 1 | | --- | --- | | [componentupdater.brave.com](http://componentupdater.brave.com) | 1 | | [brave-core-ext.s3.brave.com](http://brave-core-ext.s3.brave.com) | 1 | | [sync-v2.brave.com](http://sync-v2.brave.com) | 1 | | [collector.wdp.brave.com](http://collector.wdp.brave.com) | 0 | | [variations.brave.com](http://variations.brave.com) | 0 | | [safebrowsing.brave.com](http://safebrowsing.brave.com) | 1 | | [devtools.brave.com](http://devtools.brave.com) | 1 | | [search.brave.com](http://search.brave.com) | 1 | | [cdn.search.brave.com](http://cdn.search.brave.com) | 1 | | [imgs.search.brave.com](http://imgs.search.brave.com) | 1 | | [patterns.wdp.brave.com](http://patterns.wdp.brave.com) | 0 | 1 is allowed, 0 is blocked. From my policies ![image](//forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/2X/9/91bcd6eb3464e0522c0d95b1559d3f46f50f3654.png) --- ## Post 40 by @scapegoat — 2024-07-13T17:09:55Z The problem with Brave is more about the business model and VC funding than anything else. At some point they have to find a way to make money, but the way many of their users opt out of all the ads, and disable all the crypto web3 crap, it’s eventually going to fail. whatever ad revenue that brave collects, they initiate an automatic purchase of bat tokens for the amount of 70% of received ad revenue. Take a look at the dollar amount of the purchase in this chart: ![IMG_0231](//forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/2X/6/6f7bf46ff9a3a688ebe53d28a643496bbe39fffb.jpeg) ![IMG_0232](//forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/2X/b/b8d4ae4fb887ba0549914af52c77158d8b928c41.jpeg) Although the number of users has skyrocketed, they aren’t simply making enough money. Unlike firefox and even Opera and Vivaldi, which can generate revenue by offering their default search engine, Brave can’t choose this option, since they are blocking all the ads by default, unlike the other two. That’s why they developed their own search engine. Eventually they will run out of VC money to burn, and they have to make some money or shut down. I don’t see that happening with Brave, which will make it not a long term option --- ## Post 41 by @sha123 — 2024-07-13T18:55:30Z > [@scapegoat](#): > > Unlike firefox and even Opera and Vivaldi, which can generate revenue by offering their default search engine, Brave can’t choose this option, since they are blocking all the ads by default, unlike the other two. It would be easy to make an exception for the search engine’s ads by default and offer a toggle to change that. Many Firefox users use an ad blocker and Vivaldi has one built-in and still they get a lot of money from Google. --- ## Post 42 by @scapegoat — 2024-07-13T20:04:51Z that would be the last resort of course, but would you use brave if they start whitelisting google ads in their embedded adblocker? wasn’t it the sole purpose of using brave instead of something else like firefox, or even maybe Chrome (in edge cases where you just have to use a chromium browser) anyways, the brave-initiated BAT purchases chart above looks absolutely terrible. If I’m not mistaken, they get 30% of the ad revenues for themselves, which is less than half of the 70% that they use to purchase BAT tokens. that means less than $200k per month in revenues, or $2.4m per year. yikes! how many developers you could hire for that amount of turnover? they are obviously dependent on VC money to pay the operating expenses. which is not a sustainable business model, and there will be more pressure from VCs to start monetizing, or shut down. this might be old news, but still a valid concern now: > **[Brave lays off 9% of its workforce | TechCrunch](https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/06/brave-lays-off-9-of-its-workforce/)** > > Brave Software, the maker of Brave Browser and Search, confirmed that it has laid off 9% of its staff across departments. for a quick comparison, firefox has revenues of more than $500mn, and Opera roughly $400mn. Brave’s strategy as of now seems to be to increase it’s number of active users, while burning VC cash, to gain a critical mass of users, at that point VCs might be considering exit or sale to another potential buyer with synergies. --- ## Post 43 by @Average_Joe — 2024-07-15T22:14:44Z > [@donutfreak](#): > > I’m ok with background updates to what is probably the biggest target we hold on our computers for security. > > Brave on Linux doesn’t auto update. But when new browsers are available to install, that’s my queue to update my system when I have some free time to recover any side effects. I appreciate your reply! **This is something I can just not understand:** **How can you be okay with background updates?** It just seems so strange that a browser focused on user privacy would have “background updates” turned on by default??? What happens if a Win10 PC user has their VPN turned on and Brave decides to do a “background update”? Wouldn’t that leak the IP address of the Win10 PC user especially at a time when the user thinks they’re secure and has chosen a high quality VPN provider?!??! --- ## Post 44 by @xe3 — 2024-07-15T22:38:46Z > What happens if a Win10 PC user has their VPN turned on and Brave decides to do a “background update”? Wouldn’t that leak the IP address of the Win10 PC I don’t see why/how that would leak your IP. If you are using a VPN, by default that should cover your whole system, unless you take explicit steps to poke holes, or there is a flaw/bug. > How can you be okay with background updates? > > It just seems so strange that a browser focused on user privacy would have “background updates” turned on by default??? I think browser updates is a case where security takes priority over many other things. But apart from that, I’m not sure I see the ways in wich auto updates are necessarily incompatible with privacy. It seems to me it is more of an issue of control, trust, and security. But there might be things I’m overlooking. --- ## Post 45 by @KeepItSimple — 2024-07-15T22:42:20Z Why you afraid Brave will know your IP? You probably should use some retro/minimal browser than without any home phoning. Maybe without adblocker, as filterlists should ve updated too and they will know your ip. No extensions as well. But will it be more secure and private? --- ## Post 46 by @donutfreak — 2024-07-16T01:52:07Z They host their binaries in Amazon S3 buckets. I’m not sure they’d have the IP. I’m not sure they’d care what the IP is. And they wouldn’t get it unless you are splitting your VPN traffic. I don’t think background updates automatically occur. I’ve seen instances where I do Help | About and it goes off to think and then comes back with details about an available update. Other times the notification has gone green to yellow to red about an update that was delayed and still pending after several days. As I mentioned, I want my browsers to be within days of being released, as they are likely the highest risk and run open content. --- ## Post 47 by @sha123 — 2024-07-16T07:05:14Z > [@Average_Joe](#): > > It just seems so strange that a browser focused on user privacy would have “background updates” turned on by default??? Why wouldn’t it? It’s definitely a plus for security for the vast majority of users, since surprisingly many are lazy with updating their applications and OS. > [@Average_Joe](#): > > Wouldn’t that leak the IP address of the Win10 PC user especially at a time when the user thinks they’re secure and has chosen a high quality VPN provider?!?? No, not more or less than any other program which makes connections. It’s up to your VPN app to hinder connections outside the VPN tunnel. --- ## Post 48 by @tanaka — 2025-04-14T07:01:51Z Brave announced a business partnership with [LY Corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LY_Corporation).([source](https://brave.com/ja/blog/japan-search-announce/)) This company is best known for its instant messenger application [LINE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_(software)), which is widely used in Japan, Taiwan, and Southeast Asia, and for operating [Yahoo Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo_Japan). As a result, Brave’s default search engine in Japan has been changed to Yahoo Japan. LINE has been the subject of several incidents of personal data leaks and has been warned by Japanese data protection authorities. ([source](https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUC270BU0X21C23A1000000/), [source](https://xtech.nikkei.com/atcl/nxt/column/18/01157/011600127/)) Consideration should be given to delisting Brave for partnering with a company that does not respect privacy. --- ## Post 49 by @anon90773851 — 2025-04-14T07:39:04Z These situations with Brave is getting really annoying. They keep doing small acts that give them plausible deniability but its my waning trust in thier credibility by a thousand cuts I just want a browser free of grifting thats chromium based why is that so hard? :man_facepalming:t5: --- ## Post 50 by @user1 — 2025-04-14T07:41:07Z > [@tanaka](#): > > Consideration should be given to delisting Brave for partnering with a company that does not respect privacy. What about Firefox defaulting Google then? --- ## Post 51 by @mangomango — 2025-04-14T07:55:49Z > [@tanaka](#): > > Consideration should be given to delisting Brave for partnering with a company that does not respect privacy. I don’t agree. As long as it does not impact the product. A company has a product they want to promote and if they think it’s good for the company to do such a partnership, I’ll accept it if it does not affect the product. --- ## Post 52 by @anon39279085 — 2025-04-14T14:40:26Z also this is only affecting things like Japan, some of the sources you provided are in Japanese. :person_facepalming: with that being said I agree with @mangomango and @user1 --- ## Post 53 by @anon48875053 — 2025-04-14T14:55:47Z > [@tanaka](#): > > Consideration should be given to delisting Brave for partnering with a company that does not respect privacy. Firefox literally comes with Google as a default search engine and it doesn’t provide you with a choice at the start, like Brave does. By this logic, there are no browsers that could be recommended. --- ## Post 54 by @moonwriting — 2025-04-14T16:29:20Z > [@anon48875053](#): > > By this logic, there are no browsers that could be recommended. Not really because Mullvad Browser comes with Leta and Tor with DuckDuckGo by default, but yeah, none of the recommendations should be removed because of this. --- ## Post 55 by @KevPham — 2025-04-14T17:18:48Z I am not a huge fan of this at all. I am very familiar with Line and Yahoo Japan (they are very commonly used by my colleagues in asian newsrooms) Line and by extension LY Corporation is honestly a security nightmare. Not sure why this partnership is even considered. --- ## Post 56 by @Cyber-Typhoon — 2025-04-14T19:23:21Z > [@KevPham](#): > > Line and by extension LY Corporation is honestly a security nightmare. Not sure why this partnership is even considered. Do we have some official documentation detailing the extension of this business? I mean, would be good to learn from official channels what is happening. --- ## Post 57 by @KevPham — 2025-04-14T19:34:27Z Not sure about the extent of LY Corporation by itself but here is more information about LINE and Yahoo Japan. - [Reporters Without Borders: LINE, a messaging app to use with caution](https://safety.rsf.org/line-a-messaging-app-to-use-with-caution/) - [Citizen Lab: Analysis of End-to-End Encryption in LINE](https://citizenlab.ca/2017/08/linesecurity/) - [Asahi Shimbun: Yahoo Japan website will be unavailable to most of Europe](https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14538476) --- ## Post 58 by @Cyber-Typhoon — 2025-04-14T19:37:52Z Hey @KevPham sorry, I was referring the business (partnership) between Brave and Line, but thanks for the links (it solidify the concern about Line actions). Would be good to have some insight of what they are pushing. Edit: And just ignore this because we have links in the original comment. --- ## Post 59 by @ph00lt0 — 2025-04-14T19:43:56Z Welp that is awkward. I also had my fair share of private privacy fights with Brave Search to be fair. In my experiences it has been notoriously hard to remove something from their index after the data has been removed the source. It is much easier to do that at Google. I think Brave does need a business model and it is hard to get a privacy respecting one in a world where everyone is used to pay with data. Not defending them with this but it is a struggle. I have been looking for alternatives for brave thwt suit convience by having both mobile and desktop version, it is hard to find. --- ## Post 60 by @anon80779245 — 2025-04-15T17:47:37Z Source [https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/44917](https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/44917) I don’t like this at the same time ks Brave Search good in Japanese #privacy:questions @tanaka? +Google, not Brave Search was the default search engine in Japan. And remember, Brave always blocks ads by default, so privacy-wise impact will be limited. (IP tracking can also take place tbh.) And [Brave Search is still the default in private mode](https://github.com/brave/brave-core/pull/28402#issuecomment-2767875325) Also, for existing users their default search engine remains Google [https://github.com/brave/brave-core/pull/28402#issuecomment-2767875325](https://github.com/brave/brave-core/pull/28402#issuecomment-2767875325) --- ## Post 61 by @spacecdt — 2026-01-14T00:58:07Z I think it should be removed simply due to the fact that it has ties to Palantir via Peter Thiel. I have no idea why so many people in the privacy circle recommend this product. --- ## Post 62 by @Squealing8038 — 2026-01-14T01:12:59Z what do you mean by ties even? Because they received money ten years ago from Founders Fund where Thiel is one of the founders? They invest in like thousands of companies.. doesn’t really mean much - and for sure doesn’t mean Thiel has any control over Brave --- ## Post 63 by @Menkork — 2026-01-14T01:53:35Z This was from a firm before the browser’s inception that he had ties to. Which there’s probably literally hundreds of them out there. I’d be genuinely surprised if Thiel even knew that Brave existed to be quite honest with you. If we predicated our product choices on avoiding anyone with even a tangential link to a morally questionable figure, most of us would be left with nothing to use. Especially one from well over a decade ago. I’m not sure what is driving it, but there seems to be a deluge of algorithmic churn on YouTube filled with misleading distortions regarding Brave. Try not to pay any attention to someone’s sponsored browser tier list. :blush: --- ## Post 64 by @Cyber-Typhoon — 2026-01-14T05:34:55Z It seems that this week popular topic from Lemmy is spilling here. I’ll only repeat a question that was made, what Chromium based browser alternative do we have to Brave for desktops? Trivalent is only available for SecureBlue and in a long stretch RedHat based distros. Ungoogled Chromium has some technical disadvantages. Helium is based of UC. Vivaldi has an UI closed source. DDG browser is not available for Linux. As much it hurts me advocating for Brave, unless I’m missing something we need to be pragmatic. If we don’t have an answer for the question, people that needs a Chromium browser alternative to Chrome only have the proven open source Brave browser as an option. If one have an answer or a technical reason to disqualify Brave then we can discuss otherwise is just another day of people arguing without reasoning on the internet.