Well, on this specific topics apparently yes according to his opinion. And again, this does not make him a “bad person” now.
And to be honest, a lot of Americans in the internet needs to get out of their bubble, seeing internet comments, you think thin the democrats would have won with a huge margin, but here we are.
Anyway, again, for a lot of none Americans The narrative “bad vs good” is absurd, specially for high profile persons like a CEO of company. The democrats could start taking notes.
Yeah I agree with that. Actually it would have been best to completely STFU about this because you really can only lose if you throw your hat in the ring like this.
Cancel culture can get a bit too far, but some folks do have red lines: some technological, some socio-political.
While I generally don’t support cancellation, I don’t condone those who engage in it. It is a form of non-violent protest and folks are allowed to vote with their wallets. It is their hard-earned money, after all.
Well worded.
It’s hard to find balance while explaining how and why this is bad for people unable to fathom or understand it holistically.
This conversation is chaotic because Andy’s comments have been. If he had simply focused on and talked about Slater, we wouldn’t be discussing this now (at least not as busily). Where he messed up is when he included a big, dumb hot take about the two American political parties.
Honestly I think most people here are simply mocking him for choosing to get involved at all. It’s clearly a lose-lose situation since he was inevitably going to upset one camp or the other.
Obviously this changes nothing about Protons reputation for privacy and security.
P.S. It is a little funny to imagine him logging into the official Proton account to defend himself (speculation obviously)
As I said, I don’t think it is a bad faith exaggeration when—after they decided to reply at all in the first place—all Andy Yen had to do was say: “I didn’t mean to support the whole Republican party, all I was doing was supporting Gail Slater.”
Instead, Proton went into a long-winded justification doubling down on supporting Republicans in a more general sense, which turns it from a potential exaggeration and funny blunder into just a fact about Yen and Proton, unfortunately.
Anyways, Proton jumping into the mix as a company makes it an acceptable forum topic, because the judgement of leadership is indeed important when it comes to making purchasing decisions. I think @ignoramous put it well above.
I think y’all may not have read past the first 4 words (“Great pick by Donald Trump”). Read the rest. He didn’t just make a specific comment about a specific appointment. He made some big sweeping (and quite naive) statement about political parties broadly, based on one parties marketing strategy.
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging a good choice or good decision (if that were actually accurate), but that is not what Andy did here. He unnecessarily made some overly broad and non-evidence-based generalizations on a topic he doesn’t seem to understand or have any context about. (Andy is quite right the corporate dominated democratic establishment aren’t the party of the ‘little guy’, but the corporate dominated republican party is even less aligned with the interests of the little guy)
P.S. It is a little funny to imagine him logging into the official Proton account to defend himself (speculation obviously)
I sincerely hope that that was him, because it becomes significantly worse, if Proton’s official comms team and Proton’s official accounts are engaging in this kind of partisan nonsense that distracts from their core mission, and damages their reputation.
Well, this kind of ass-kissing is kind of the job of a CEO but yeah, he should not have posted about this at all because now he pissed of a probably rather large part of the Proton user base.
Not only that, but it seems quite hypocritical and disingenuous to (rightly) note that one prominent democrat has children working as lobbyists in tech (this is a real and widespread problem on both sides of the aisle) while simultaneously omitting the fact that that the person he literally just called “a great pick” also has worked as a lobbyist for a lobbying firm that represented many big tech interests (including fighting against California’s privacy law), as well as an executive of a privacy-hostile corporation (Roku).
Read, silly.
I just find it silly that you think I’m the focus of this topic. I assume it makes it easier for you to argue, sure. The focus of this topic is
My opinions really have nothing to do with either thing happening, although I do have opinions yes lol
Guys, no one should be making blanket statements about political parties. Ocasio-Cortez and Manchin are in the same party. Romney and Trump are in the same party. Parties change over time, and even at the very same time, different subsets of parties pursue competing goals.
Firstly, I didn’t initiate this topic, for some reason Proton replied to an off-hand comment I made three weeks ago(!)
Secondly, you asserting that “every single thing that offends the moderators” gets removed from the forum is an obviously untrue statement, which is why that also is not happening in this case. This forum hosts a wide variety of perspectives, and I’m happy it does!
The entire discussion is held in bad faith by the title alone, it is being made as if proton contributed a large political donation or similar when in reality this is all about “Company offers a bad opinion”. Most people have no clue proton even has a mastodon account and they would never check, if this had been done in the form of a forced newsletter by proton the situation would be different,
Hmm, I’m not sure when we are cool with the ass-kissing act. For example, Zuckenberg vs Yen, with distinct level of ass-kissing their actions were a bit similar. Why are we getting easy on one of them?
Yeah this is a recurring problem, where people believe certain companies and people should be above all criticism just because they like them. It is perfectly reasonable to like a product and simultaneously criticize it. If we can only criticize bad people like Zuckerberg that is pretty limiting.
I would also argue that it is the entire point of communities like these to do this, because ideally we all want to see better products grow from the criticism they receive, right? 
I would say cause of this:
Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.
What surprises me is that person at that position, who’s disappointed how Biden’s administration (haven’t) tackled Big Tech abuses, actually believes Trump’s will do that (better). On the other hand, I’m not sure there are things that could or should surprise me in today’s world
You can criticize all you want, but using intentionally broad framing like this harms everyone. I myself am not here to defend proton, I stopped using their services after 4 or so years because the ios app started failing me.
Every political discussion is a minefield with strong opinions and weak reasoning, proton should not have stepped into it and PG should not misrepresent what happened.
What a shenanigan lmao. The guy should’ve just stfu and not comment in the first place, and not further recomment to so called clarify what they meant. Now what might be just their personal opinion are being associated with a company they’re helming. A field day for proton pr team tomorrow.