from reading the proton website on payment, they offer an anonymous way to pay for their service with cash by just… mailing them cash.
i live in the us, so if i were to do this i would do so by usps international mail. however, is there any nuances to the legality of mailing cash or potential concerns i should know of before i do so? would really appreciate if someone from the us who has mailed proton cash before clear it up for me, thanks.
You could get a visa gift card with cash. Somehow they took a US only card. Other venders couldn’t accept it in that case you would need an international gift card.
Not many places sell the international ones.
Just doing a check on a search engine say places like Lowe’s carries them, maybe CVS and I think maybe Costco.
Just throwing some ideas out there in case you decide sending cash isn’t a good fit.
If you have a balance on the card, don’t mix it up with other payment methods (Other than cash) in a single transaction and use a VoIP number to check the balance or some other anonymous way if possible.
I have mailed cash. There is no prohibition against mailing cash in the US. I did not include a return address as I felt that would defeat the purpose since all mail in the US is scanned on the outside. I used a bifold greeting card I had available with my username written inside, make sure to calculate the number of stamps needed. I can’t remember if its 2 or 3 for Switzerland.
Edit: A Visa gift card is unlikely to work. AFAIK you end up having to register them to use online. You can’t use a visa prepaid gc online otherwise. Perhaps I’m wrong on this.
Post office sells international stamps. Just pick up a thank you card & envelope (already slightly heavier than regular mail) write account details within card, include cash, no return address. Proton will send a short email if it arrives and gets processed.
Obviously use a thank you card to show your appreciation of their service.
Just a little text to share my experience: I did it from France (i.e. bordering Switzerland). Here, putting money in a envelope is forbidden, even if it’s not very controlled for small amounts I suppose. To avoid losing too much money in case it didn’t work, I proceeded in two envelopes: 40% of the sum the first time and 60% the second time. I waited until the first envelope was received and credited to my account to send the second one. The delay was two weeks each time.
It’s a great way to guarantee your privacy, but you might want to think twice before doing this, especially from this far away. I think favoring crypto anonymously would be a safer way. Do Bank → new BTC wallet 1 → new XMR wallet → new BTC wallet 2 → Proton, I think you will reach a level of anonymity high enough for 99.9% of people.
I tried doing this for a different VPN provider based in the EU. I’m in the US. I was instructed (by Fedex) to fill out a “U.S. Customs Form” which requires full name of both parties, email (to speed up the process but it seems optional), full address for sender and receiver, and a detailed description of what is inside. I wasn’t given the option to send without a sender (return) address. I didn’t do it. That defeats the purpose of paying with cash. For what it’s worth, I have never been able to send anything using USPS, UPS, or Fedex in the U.S. without a return address and showing my government ID. Not sure how you folks are doing it.
Are US folks just putting a piece of mail, no return address, in the post box with international stamps? Do you recommend doing the payments in increments or is sending $100+ going to get flagged by customs? I am fully prepared to lose whatever I send either way.
Yes. You can use domestic stamps or international. If using domestic the value of the stamps just needs to equal the international rate.
I don’t know of restrictions to mailing cash out of the US and into Switzerland. A search indicates these limits start around $10,000, but certainly double check.
I think Proton is anti-anonymity. They are hostile toward Monero and lack transparency with the ways that their products can deanonymize their users. Just because cash can be used anonymously, I don’t think that Proton would accept it if there weren’t other options or it wouldn’t look very bad for a privacy company to not accept private payments. Accepting cash without more convenient anonymous payment methods is a strong indication from them to not try to use their services anonymously.
If you’re just sending correspondence (no trading cards, bookmarks, stickers, etc.) or nonnegotiable documents (just paper; no cash, checks, or other items that have cash value), you don’t need a customs form.
The Step 1 on How To Send A Letter or Postcard: International | USPS has that no cash part. I’ll do what you guys did since it worked. I guess I’ll know what happened in like 6 weeks .