# Outline (E2EE Notebook App)

**URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/outline-e2ee-notebook-app/36006
**Category:** Tool Suggestions
**Created:** 2025-01-20T16:15:40Z
**Posts:** 9

## Post 1 by @WittyAdventurer — 2025-01-20T16:15:40Z

Another self hosted E2EE notebook I’ve been looking at is called outline ([https://www.getoutline.com/](https://www.getoutline.com/)), I would be interested to know everyone’s thoughts on it.

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## Post 2 by @anon42475305 — 2025-01-20T16:27:02Z

> [@Anytype E2EE Notebook](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/anytype-e2ee-notebook/13096/38):
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> Based off this ([https://portal.productboard.com/lunatask/1-lunatask-roadmap-idea-portal/c/73-open-sourcing-self-hosting](https://portal.productboard.com/lunatask/1-lunatask-roadmap-idea-portal/c/73-open-sourcing-self-hosting)) post, they are interested in making the server open source, but I can’t find anything else.

That was posted a little more than 3 years ago so I wouldn’t necessarily hold out hope.

> [@WittyAdventurer](#):
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> E2EE

Outline isn’t E2EE.

> [@WittyAdventurer](#):
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> I would be interested to know everyone’s thoughts on it.

Not a thought about Outline specifically, but I’m not convinced these types of knowledge management tools actually work. In my experience, they are unintuitive, take ages to configure/setup, and in the end still take more time and energy to use than a simple to-do list.

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## Post 3 by @WittyAdventurer — 2025-01-20T16:45:30Z

> [@anon42475305](#):
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> Outline isn’t E2EE.

Their documents say otherwise? [Security](https://docs.getoutline.com/s/guide/doc/security-DlJBglbImQ#:~:text=At%20rest%2C%20Outline%20encrypts%20all,in%20transit%20and%20at%20rest).

> [@anon42475305](#):
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> Not a thought about Outline specifically, but I’m not convinced these types of knowledge management tools actually work. In my experience, they are unintuitive, take ages to configure/setup, and in the end still take more time and energy to use than a simple to-do list.

I’m personally okay with Joplin, but as it doesn’t encrypt data at rest I’m unable to use it, I need something that can sit on a VPS and be encrypted, but have a web app. Trillium is on my list, but I’m still looking at other options.

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## Post 4 by @anon42475305 — 2025-01-20T16:51:38Z

> [@WittyAdventurer](#):
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> Their documents say otherwise? [Security](https://docs.getoutline.com/s/guide/doc/security-DlJBglbImQ#:~:text=At%20rest%2C%20Outline%20encrypts%20all,in%20transit%20and%20at%20rest).

They have in-transit encryption and at-rest encryption. Both types are distinct from end-to-end encryption since neither prevents the service provider from decrypting the contents if they wish. For notes, like with passwords, I would consider end-to-end encryption to be an absolutely non-negotiable necessity.

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## Post 5 by @WittyAdventurer — 2025-01-20T16:52:36Z

What do you use personally? I’ve looked into Secured Notes, but client side features are locked behind a paywall even when you self host.

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## Post 6 by @anon42475305 — 2025-01-20T16:59:26Z

I was trying Anytype a couple months ago but as I discussed above, realised that I hated it. Right now I’m using Obsidian.

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## Post 7 by @WittyAdventurer — 2025-01-20T17:02:21Z

Zed looks cool, but unfortunately wouldn’t meet my needs. The search continues!

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## Post 8 by @TrashPanda — 2025-01-20T19:51:15Z

SiYuan is great, I don’t know if you’ve considered it before. Whiteboard feature is coming as well.

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## Post 9 by @SYST3M_D3STR0YER — 2026-03-05T20:37:24Z

> [@anon42475305](#):
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> They have in-transit encryption and at-rest encryption. Both types are distinct from end-to-end encryption since neither prevents the service provider from decrypting the contents if they wish. For notes, like with passwords, I would consider end-to-end encryption to be an absolutely non-negotiable necessity.

Looks like that has changed though?

Homepage:

> Enjoy true privacy
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> Nobody can see what’s in your vault, except for you
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> Local, on-device encryption
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> Only you have encryption keys