# Orbot + VPN useful?

**URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/orbot-vpn-useful/19090
**Category:** Questions
**Created:** 2024-06-24T15:14:47Z
**Posts:** 12
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## Post 9 by @xe3 — 2024-06-25T01:34:44Z

_I don’t have experience with Tor on Android, so the below is just general commentary on Tor+VPN, not Android/Orbot specific._

> [@deadorbit](#):
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> Combining a VPN and Tor is counterintuitive and no longer recommended.

My recollection is that the Tor Project doesn’t _recommend_ using a VPN, but they also don’t categorically _recommend against_ using `VPN --> Tor`

I’m not an expert, but I personally usually use VPN then Tor, I haven’t (yet) heard a compelling broadly applicable reason not to. Do you have clear reasons why you think it is a bad idea?

I don’t see a problem with `[You] --> [VPN] --> [Tor] --> [Web]`

> **I *DO* see risks and problems with (click me)**
>
> Don’t do this: `[You] --> [Tor] --> [VPN] --> [Web]`

Further reading on the topic for anyone interested in digging deeper:

1. [Can I use Tor with a VPN? (Tor FAQ)](https://support.torproject.org/#faq_faq-5)
2. [Tor+VPN (Tor Wiki)](https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/wikis/doc/TorPlusVPN)
3. [Whonix: connecting to a VPN before Tor](https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Tunnels/Connecting_to_a_VPN_before_Tor)

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