IVPN never worked for me while I was in China (Android, it just kept loading infinitely), while Mullvad did (Proton VPN almost never worked). Keep in mind this was before they introduce Shadowsocks.
You seem to have a black and white view of censorship. QUIC over HTTP obfuscation will help many people bypass light-to-medium censorship while keeping connection reliability. I never said it could bypass advanced censorship systems , despite you apparently interpreting it that way.
And again, I repeat that the GFW doesnât, at least not universally, block all Mullvad VPN IPs.
To summarize the thread a little bit for lay people: are there any commercial/non commercial providers which lead the pack in terms of censorship resistance? Mullvad, IVPN, Nym, Amnezia, Tor, I2P?
Good question thanks. We should precise though that as @anon80779245 said that there are nuances in the effectiveness of censorship circumvention providers depending on the network.
I would phrase it like this : what are the most reliable providers in the worst cases (Iran, Turkmenistan, China, Myanmar, Russia, Cuba etc) ?
Or âif my country becomes a full digital authoritarian hell, which are the providers the most likely to save me? â
Plus Windscribe, Psiphon�
Reading the messages above, it seems that IVPN and Proton are less reliable than Mullvad in China.
To answer my question, from what I have read, I have the impression that Mullvad, TOR and maybe Windscribe and Amnezia are the most reliable in heavy restricted countries.
Hard to trust a VPN company that you donât know enough about or that a company doesnât share more about themselves or the people behind it.
But the website is well made and does present itself one with legitimacy. But not knowing who or how many are behind it, itâs not ideal for me. PG recommended ones are different in this regard.
I donât think this would be particularly difficult. I read that people routinely do it in Turkey, Iran, and other places. If you can get service at all, itâs probably a much more reliable, albeit more expensive, method of accessing the Internet than VPNs engaged in a cat and mouse game with local ISPs.
The underground market is easy to access in Iran and Turkey, but you donât fuck with China. They operate on another level and this sort of thing is not taken lightly.
It doesnât sound like youâve been to China before. Iâm not going to get into a debate about hypotheticals. What I will say is that no one sane will ever fuck around with the Chinese authorities, especially Customs! Good luck if you ever think about smuggling Starlink into China.
Thanks for the recommendation!! I gave it a whirl, the setup was easy on Linux and the speed was very good.. That Trojan(WS+TLS) protocol in wireshark looks just like a regular https connection. Iâm not trying to access any restrictive countries just like a bit more privacy This works well for me, thanks again!
I havenât been, and never plan on going. This is purely hypothetical. You might not even need to smuggle anything into the country. I donât know how Starlink works in detail, but you may be able to use locally sourced equipment. It is entirely plausible that some people are using it, but for obvious reasons they keep that information to themselves.
I think itâs overkill for now. china still relies a bit om western tech and more importantly they want to export their tech abroad. for that reason China becoming a North Korea - like intranet is not likely in the near future.
A few years ago I read on Pine64 blog about FemtoStar, an independent satellite communication infrastructure in development that doesnât require ground infrastructure to operate. I wonder if thereâs been any progress.
Sorry Iâm dumb, not technical at all, is QUIC/http3 any improvement to privacy or not? I see I can enable this option in my app, but I seen it uses udp, so I turned it off (I use Tor(tcp))?
Obfuscations are for places where Wireguard is directly blocked. So no, not useful in the Western world. Perhaps soon in the UK seeing how things are going.
Thanks @123 for including Nym in the comparison. While the Nym network wasnât originally designed specifically for censorship resistance, itâs become a key development focus for both our mixnet and NymVPN.
âDragonâ phase completed - NymVPN âFastâ mode now uses client-side AmneziaWG (instead of the standard WireGuard)
âOxâ and âMonkeyâ phases - API improvements and first pluggable transport are launching for beta-testing end of September, with public release expected by mid-October
Future phases will add more pluggable transport options based on user needs and geographic requirements
This works well for me, thanks again!