# Mullvad has partnered with Obscura VPN

**URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/mullvad-has-partnered-with-obscura-vpn/24860
**Category:** General
**Tags:** article
**Created:** 2025-02-11T14:48:01Z
**Posts:** 238
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## Post 128 by @anon6884803 — 2025-02-17T20:44:46Z

Both of you seem to be talking past each other.

The other person is talking about how MPR where its just wireguard over wireguard is not any more private than simply setting up wireguard over wireguard since you have to trust the first party to handle traffic correctly, and also trust them to not collude with mullvad (which is not easy since the current first party’s existence depends on this mullvad boost right now). Apple private relay is better because of better protocol and because cloudflare and apple are not codependent on their partnership succeeding.

You keep talking about how it makes it easier to manage opsec since you only need to maintain 1 payment identity. This is also true, but only marginally so. If a person can maintain 1 payment identity, they can trivially maintain 2.

> [@jonah](#):
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> The entire point of a multi-party system like this is the user needs **zero** direct interaction with the exit node.

No, they need the exit node to not track their requests, not do DNS poisoning, or to correlate session traffic (where they track actions across each session).

> [@fria](#):
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> VPNs have a persistent identifier

The ones recommended by PG don’t send any identifier with network requests. Proton has one additional bit about payment status sent on initial connection. Are you talking about IP as an identifier?

> [@jonah](#):
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> The difference is that in your example, either Windscribe or Mullvad could _unilaterally_ choose to harm your privacy, while in a functional multi-party setup they would be forced to work together to do so

Wrong, either party can compromise.

> [@jonah](#):
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> surreptitiously monitor your exit traffic.

They can decrypt, reencrypt, and send.

> [@jonah](#):
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> network security model **is** valid _if neither party colludes with one another_

Wrong. Explained above.

> [@jonah](#):
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> What are you even talking about?

Again talking past each other. They seem to be talking about possibility of making it detectable, you are talking about it being currently undetectable.

> [@ignoramous](#):
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> Besides, both those providers couldn’t do much even if they _colluded_

Sounds wrong.

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