I found on their Github that Unified Push is an direct feature
Yes.
I am still not sure on what you want to achieve here.
Want to use UnifiedPush? It is the default and will work just fine. ![]()
Want to use Sunup? Looks like it works fine too. ![]()
This has been an issue for my family on stock Pixel and Samsung devices too, so I am fairly comfortable with saying it is just a Signal thing for some of us.
On my research I found that their builds are reproducible,and since their own changes a probably relatively small in code size, it wouldn’t be that hard to verify that they don’t add anything malicious.
Sunup is a distributor for Unifiepush, and I need a distributor because I don’t want to self host it.
You also getting bugs like that you get called and they call just doesn’t ring even though you have the app open on stock os?
Then its a real Signal bug and not just a dependency issue.
Then its weird that Signal doesn’t patch such an annoying bug for this long time.
A phone with GrapheneOS and Google libraries may be more secure than a stock Google phone, but still allows Google to collect plenty of information. Considering that this is is a privacy forum, removing all Big Tech snooping should be the primary objective, ahead of “security” in some loosely defined sense.
Molly in my opinion is better than Signal in every way. It is hardened and has additional privacy and security features. The only potential drawback is trusting another party, although it seems the Molly devs take security more seriously than the Signal team, so I’m not remotely concerned.
Regarding battery, there does seem to be a difference in battery consumption depending whether you have Google Play Services installed or not. Not sure why, but when I used to have GPS, Molly (FOSS, from Accrescent) used like 40% of my battery. Without GPS installed it uses under 10%.
Regarding websocket vs. unified push. I believe unified push is just a websocket. If you have several apps that use unified push, setting it up can help with battery, but if not just keep it simple with the default Molly websocket. The public instances of Molly Socket did not work reliably for me because they seem to get rate limited. Otherwise you have to self host.
Why don’t you use a public UnifiedPush instance then?
However you use UP, you also need a hosted instance of MollySocket. The public instances I’ve tried are overloaded, and self hosting is a chore. The UP distributor in “Conversations" worked okay in combo with a public MollySocket instance but notifications were delayed and came thru in chunks.
I’m just one data point but Signal on GOS without Google services has been very solid for me. It used to be a little finicky a couple years ago but these days it works without issue.
Its sounds like your threat model is “avoid big tech" and that’s fine but not the same for everyone. Personally I relate, but GOS offers a lot more than just being able to degoogle. Also importantly, sandboxed Google services is much better than standard system level Google services because it significantly restricts what data Google can access and how it can operate. I’m all for getting rid of Google but many people are unfortunately dependent on it.
I think the distinction is been privacy and security benefits. If you run GOS with GPS installed, you’re getting only a marginal improvement in privacy. You’re still getting a quantum leap improvement in security over stock Android though.
Being able to isolate through several user profiles, being able to disable network and sensor permissions, being able to sandbox google services, having storage/contact scopes. Those are significant privacy wins IMO
I suppose I agree.
Sunup is a client for a public UnifiedPush instance
I like Molly but one thing that is a bit annoying is the hardcoded Screen Security that blocks screenshots.
Edit: this seems specific from the version used in the Accrescent
Toggle off “screen security" in settings. You can enable screen shots in all versions of Molly and Signal.
I use Molly from Accrescent. That option has never been greyed out for me. I’m not sure why yours is like that.
EDIT: I think it’s because you have screen lock on.
EDIT: I think it’s because you have screen lock on.
Yes, I forgot about that. That is the reason. Ignore my complain.
Note: it sounds so dumb, I even used another phone to take a picture to share here. I really need some vacation.
