# Little quesion about Tor & Vpn

**URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/little-quesion-about-tor-vpn/18197
**Category:** Questions
**Created:** 2024-05-07T09:16:45Z
**Posts:** 8

## Post 1 by @cengiz — 2024-05-07T09:16:45Z

hi!  
I was trying to find out through AI’s how things work in Tor+VPN and they told me that VPN is an external layer that comes after Tor and is just a relay. In other words, the VPN doesn’t deal directly with incoming and outgoing requests; that’s what they told me.  
However, while they admit that packets encrypted between circuits in the Tor connection are decrypted at node 3, they insist that “after the last step, the request goes encrypted to the VPN”.  
They have probably been taught that the VPN is just an intermediary in tor+vpn and therefore “can’t”, not “doesn’t”, deal with incoming and outgoing data.

I tried asking for each piece of information again and again during the verification, but the result didn’t change.

I thought I might have missed something, so I ask here: in Tor+VPN, do requests after the third node go to the VPN as external encryption or not? Can the VPN see the incoming data or not? Finally, if there is any encryption in between, what is it?

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## Post 2 by @anon73886004 — 2024-05-07T09:25:14Z

Can you clarify whether this connection is a TOR connection over a VPN or a VPN connection over TOR? I would imagine it’s the former, but I’m not clear. If this is a VPN+TOR connection offered by your VPN provider it may be that we need to reference their specific documentation.

I don’t think this video addresses your question, but contains good information I thought may be relevant as I read your post.

> **[Yes, you should connect to Tor via a VPN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo22D-dUeCA)**
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> In which I respond to Mental Outlaw's "Stop Using Tor With VPNs" video that somebody shared with me, and also talk more about Tor security...❤️ Support the w...

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## Post 3 by @anon63378630 — 2024-05-07T09:32:48Z

Please read [TorPlusVPN · Wiki · Legacy / Trac · GitLab](https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/wikis/doc/TorPlusVPN)

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## Post 4 by @dngray — 2024-05-07T13:27:24Z

We also have a page about that [Tor Overview - Privacy Guides](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/advanced/tor-overview/)

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## Post 5 by @cengiz — 2024-05-07T13:35:50Z

> [@anon73886004](#):
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> Can you clarify whether this connection is a TOR connection over a VPN or a VPN connection over TOR? I would imagine it’s the former

nope, second one.  
An extra (+) VPN connection on top of an active Tor connection.

> [@anon63378630](#):
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> Please read [TorPlusVPN · Wiki · Legacy / Trac · GitLab](https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/wikis/doc/TorPlusVPN)

> [@dngray](#):
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> We also have a page about that [Tor Overview - Privacy Guides](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/advanced/tor-overview/)

I was expecting a simple explanation like “yes, the request from node 3 goes to the vpn unencrypted, openly, and if the vpn is not privacy-oriented, it can do whatever it wants with the data” or vice versa, instead of “the last layer is not constantly changing, so anonymity is weakened” or “it requires fine-tuning”, which would raise new questions in my head. But thanks anyway

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## Post 6 by @axenup — 2024-05-08T01:30:58Z

Jonah did such a good job on this video, extremely well thought-out

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## Post 7 by @iamnotamonk — 2024-05-09T19:55:29Z

Well, it depends on the mode of VPN you are using. See [InviZible – Using with third-party VPNs](https://invizible.net/en/using-with-third-party-vpns/)

Lets say you can also do it: use mulldav, then tor, the startpage anonymous view. is the same as: VPN - TOR- PROXY

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## Post 8 by @anon66226834 — 2024-10-11T22:40:28Z

[https://obscurix.github.io/vpns.html](https://obscurix.github.io/vpns.html)