anonymous477:
We’ve established earlier that comparing the rate of security fixes to that of Mullvad Browser’s was not well founded: Mullvad Browser being late on security fixes is an issue, but it serves a wholly different purpose from Librewolf and the value it brings to browsing (namely Tor-like fingerprinting protections but with better website compatibility) outweighs itLibrewolf, on the other hand, must be compared to Firefox and/or Brave, if anything; comparisons to Mullvad Browser are therefore off the agendaThe slow rate of security fixes that Librewolf has must be weighed with the value it brings compared to Firefox/BraveIf you want to discuss this point, you must explain why the late security patches are not an issue without appealing to that of Mullvad Browser’s
Well, I disagree. You could just use the lastest version of FireFox (so no security fix delay ➞ in that terms better than MullvadBrowser), configure it with MullvadBrowser’s configs before the first startup of FireFox, install uBlock Origin and configure it the exact same way MullvadBrowser does, don’t log in anywhere, don’t change any setting, use it with MullvadVPN and don’t install any extension more than uBlock Origin and you would look in the web exactly like any other MullvadBrowser user, wouldn’t you?
So where’s the difference? Why can’t you compare LibreWolf and MullvadBrowser? You can make FireFox nearly the same as MullvadBrowser and you can make FireFox nearly the same as LibreWolf.
anonymous477:
@any1 says that if the audience is for “technical” people, then that audience can and should go to Arkenfox. Convenience should not be a factor.
This argument looks kinda silly to me (now).
Why don’t use QubesOS with Whonix every single day? “But then surfing is slow and I can’t visit several websites and“ - “Convenience shouldn’t be a factor.”
I know you meant it only for the narrow limits of configuring, maintaining and learning ArkenFox instead of using LibreWolf. I just want to point out that in every way, you are making Privacy/Security/Convenience trade-offs, so the only question should be:
Outweighs the convenience and additional privacy features (yes, there are some, I will get into that later) of LibreWolf compared to FireFox & ArkenFox the security fix delay of LibreWolf?
So, here‘s what I think:
You just can‘t say objectively if some convenience features outweighs security disadvantages, so the User should choose. That’s why I think we should mention LibreWolf.
Also, I found a few more things in LibreWolf that can‘t be achieved in FireFox except the three things already named. Here‘s the List:
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FireFox is hosting its source code on GitHub, which itself is closed-source and owned by MicroSoft. I and many other people don‘t want to support closed-source projects and we certainly don‘t want to support MicroSoft. But LibreWolf uses Codeberg, which is a 100% Open-Source Non-Profit-Organisation.
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ArkenFox is hosting its source code on GitHub, which itself is closed-source and owned by MicroSoft. I and many other people don‘t want to support closed-source projects and we certainly don‘t want to support MicroSoft. But LibreWolf uses Codeberg, which is a 100% Open-Source Non-Profit-Organisation.
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Even if you disable any telemetry before the first startup, FireFox will send a one-time ping to Mozilla which says that telemetry was disabled.
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With new UpDates, there‘s more and more Crap in FireFox. Very disturbing Sync, Adverts for Mozilla‘s VPN, a „More from Mozilla“-Category in the Settings, AI-Features which partially activates themselves after disabling and much more.
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And since ArkenFox don‘t disables this Crap, you have to disable all these things again and again after every single ArkenFox-UpDate.
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Some things like “Set FireFox as the default browser” or the whole telemetry part are firmly anchored in the settings and cannot be removed. If you want to change something, you also have to scroll through these departments, which costs unnecessary time. Of course, this is only relevant - if at all - for perfectionists, but it should be mentioned here for the sake of attempted completeness.
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It is not possible to set a really clean HomePage. There are only three options: 1., Set it to “FireFox-HomePage (Default)”, where you then have to deactivate the sponsored links and all the news. Then it looks like there is only the search bar on the settings page for the HomePage; however, when you open a new tab, the FireFox LoGo is emblazoned above the search bar and “Firefox” next to it in bold letters. You can’t remove that, and I and many others hate this kind of advertising, “self-advertising”. 2., You set it to “Blank” (which is ArkenFox’s default), but then the HomePage really looks too naked. And 3rd, the last option, “Custom WebPage”, is of course not practical either, because you really don’t want to wait for every new tab until a website has finished loading. LibreWolf goes a perfect way in my opinion: The HomePage is just a very light grey background which isn‘t too intense but also not to nacked with a SearchBar in the upper center.
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There is the potential for mistakes (placing ArkenFox in the wrong directory, downloading an old ArkenFox, forgetting to unpack ArkenFox), as you have to reconfigure ArkenFox every time there is an ArkenFox update.
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FireFox is licensed under the MPL, which allows it to be incorporated into a proprietary product (weak copyleft). I and many other people don’t want to support something like that.
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ArkenFox is licensed under the MIT license, which allows it to be incorporated into a proprietary product (no copyleft). I and many other people don’t want to support something like that.
In know that Privacy Guides is also licensed under the MIT-License and the code is hosted on GitHub, but since that‘s more or less the only bad thing about Privacy Guides, I use it anyway.