# Leaving Mullvad, thoughts about iVPN? **URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/leaving-mullvad-thoughts-about-ivpn/38842 **Category:** General **Tags:** software **Created:** 2026-06-28T08:43:45Z **Posts:** 98 ## Post 1 by @carbonated — 2026-06-28T08:43:45Z Guess y’all saw the news of Mullvad CEO donating to a “remigration” party in Sweden, and making up 70% of their budget last year: > **[Techprofil ger miljoner till Örebropartiet](https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/)** > > It-bolaget Mullvads grundare donerade fem miljoner – till parti som vill se ”storskalig återvandring” As I don’t want to support that, I am palnning to move to iVPN. Out of the three recommended by PG, I saw the least content about them here. Is their service working well? Any recent experiences one could share? Is it blocked often or rather similar to Mullvad? --- ## Post 2 by @TheApocalipseDude — 2026-06-28T09:06:19Z I am leaving too. By the way, this is also commented in this recent thread [https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/njalla-vpn/38835](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/njalla-vpn/38835) Also, I have not seen anything in PG about the recent Proton sponsorship of a far-right French youtuber. Proton posted a letter to clarify its mistake. --- ## Post 3 by @fiqiluvo.epileto — 2026-06-28T10:51:12Z ![20260628](https://forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/3X/2/5/25950611098a631a0e81e8ea76177c49c67231cc.png) I’ll make sure to buy a yearly subscription this time :smiling_face: I got access to Chinese residential IP endpointa this month through a gfw research group and both Mullvad and iVPN are worth the price. --- ## Post 4 by @lamtrinhdev — 2026-06-28T10:53:33Z IVPN is a good VPN. Moreover, it has Iceland (one of the best freedom country) with Flokinet (one of the best provider for freedom). IVPN also have active member here who is @viktorivpn . --- ## Post 5 by @Equinox — 2026-06-28T11:23:22Z I would rather prioritize the security and privacy of my data over the opinions of someone else that are not my own. All the VPN providers suggested on PG are reliable, but other options may also be worth considering. Edit: I’ve just read their respone on X [Mullvad.net on X: "@fiskargubbe Mullvad is a political company. We fight for freedom of speech, freedom of information and the right to privacy. These are firmly held values of the founders of Mullvad. Mullvad protects the right for people to express things we don't agree with. We protect the right of everyone" / X](https://x.com/mullvadnet/status/2070861905036509575) --- ## Post 6 by @carbonated — 2026-06-28T12:04:34Z Yeah, here I am looking for usage experience, but in general my criteria are: - Independently audited (Proton, Mullvad, iVPN) - Anonymous payment (Mullvad, iVPN) - No log policy + anonymous account (all 3?) - Not supporting fascists (iVPN, and a bit Proton?) I get that the 4th bullet point is subjective and all big companies “tolerate” at one point their governments/policies if forced to (see USA), but you have to draw the line at one point and Mullvad definitely crossed that for me. Edit: being downvoted for not wanting support to have fascists in governmemt is wild tbh. What do you think those parties will do once in power? See the USA.. --- ## Post 7 by @DanielM — 2026-06-28T12:18:30Z > [@carbonated](#): > > Any recent experiences one could share? I’ll only share my personal experience with IVPN—it won’t be my “opinion,” I’ll get straight to the point: 1. IVPN is more built for people of a certain level, or in other words, it aims to attract people like me, for example. Attract doesn’t mean putting a gun to your head—it means being realistic about the technical limits of a VPN service: it doesn’t claim anything “guaranteed” within VPN usage, it rejects the word “anonymity,” it stopped doing annual audits for real reasons A, etc. 2. It’s a decent service. Last time I used it, it worked normally. Of course, where I’m living, every country or place has its own thing going on. 3. They’re a small team but they work with a certain level of honesty (I don’t personally know any of these people), so I’m not going to hype it up or lie here. If you’re wondering whether I’d recommend using it, my answer is: yes. Here’s why they stopped the annual audits, and it’s actually a positive thing: > Claims around ’no-logs’ audits can be misleading, or at best ambiguous to customers. Audits are a snapshot in time: any VPN service receiving a ’no-logs’ stamp from independent evaluators can update its systems and start collecting sensitive data the following day. We have also seen some VPN providers cite such audits as a marketing tool that creates a false sense of security. For these reasons, we will not commission further no-logs audits. > > Source: [Annual security audit scheduled for 2026](https://www.ivpn.net/blog/annual-security-audit-scheduled-2026/) -– The decision is yours. --- ## Post 9 by @DucksLive — 2026-06-28T12:45:48Z Wear downvotes as a badge of values. Sticking to your personal values is always the right thing to do. Mullvad is very popular here, as it should be, they have fantastic privacy focused projects. I presently am not using any of their products, but held them in high regard. But no more will they be on my list of potentials To actually put my money where my mouth is… I was a happy Proton mail paid subscriber. Within weeks of the CEOs infamous comments I was gone Told I was an “over reacting” alarmist. I put that in quotes because I was not over reacting – it was the right decision for ME, because I was following MY personal values. The CEO (and actually the company itself as they initially defended the statements) showed me who he is, and I believe him. The inevitable walk back would never be enough for ME And so it is. Never looked back, and happy with my current email providers. Willing to bail if needed. Side note: great reason to not tie into an ecosystem At end of the day, could I in any possible way feel good handing MY money over to Mullvad now, knowing where some of that money ends up? Not a chance. Ever Of course, it is fully understood, the game of Privacy whack-a-mole we all find ourselves in, and options are certainly limited. Make your stand, stick to YOUR beliefs best you can, even if it’s not the path well worn. It’s all we can do Cheers --- ## Post 10 by @Sue — 2026-06-28T12:49:18Z Wow, I am using it. It makes me consider about that again. --- ## Post 12 by @Menkork — 2026-06-28T12:54:37Z Hello everyone, dumb American here that’s going to need your help. I’m trying to read up on this, but I don’t know what to take away from it, because almost every single source that I’m reading, is giving conflicting editorials. (hooray politics!) To make matters worse, you could be talking about quantum physics and I’d understand it about as well as I understand Swedish politics. For a tldr, is there actual truth to what’s being said? Or is this just another misinformation snowball effect, just like what happened with Proton and the right wing / Trump thing where the stuff turned out to be either not true or extremely exaggerated? UPDATE: OK, just saw the tweet. Still out of the loop on the politics, but that tweet clarified things a lot more. --- ## Post 14 by @carbonated — 2026-06-28T13:13:17Z Thanks a lot, very insightful. I know a bit about their openness what a VPN can and can not do. They also have some good info blogs/posts I read in the past. The no-audit thingy is interesting and understandable. Will have to make up my mind. As I understand, it only concerns the no-log audit part and not in general the audits though. --- ## Post 16 by @TheApocalipseDude — 2026-06-28T13:39:39Z I honestly understand Mudvall’s statement and I believe they are sincere. The situation is much simpler: there are people, like myself, who don’t like seeing our hard-earned money end up fattening the bank accounts of fascists. While “voting with your wallet” is a flawed concept (then billionaires’ votes count far more than workers’), we can always choose to support companies aligned with the values we stand for. That’s the most natural and respectable thing, and anyone with a minimum of civic sense should understand it. That’s why, goodbye Mudvall, just as I did with Google and Microsoft before. --- ## Post 17 by @Menkork — 2026-06-28T13:39:41Z > [@privacylover](#): > > The donation was made nobody is disputing that and the party he donated to supports remigration, Trump only supports deporting illegal immigrants but he has no remigration policy for foreigners legally living in the US, even if Proton supported Trump it would still not make me sway to Proton. As you said you don’t understand Swedish politics don’t try to impose the US way of life in Sweden and keep the multicultural hell hole in your country. Whoa, take a breath. The only things I know about Sweden is viking larping, Sabaton, and poorly made particle board furniture. Don’t get so angry at my ignorance. Based on your rant, I assumed ignorance was something we had in common. --- ## Post 18 by @DucksLive — 2026-06-28T13:56:04Z A void of information doesn’t negate holding true to the process of trying to retain ones personal values, once information becomes available If we’ve been enjoying weekend BBQs with the neighbors for years, and suddenly we get notice he’s an ax murderer, am I hauling the wife & kids over to the BBQ again this weekend? Newly discovered information has forced me to re-evaluate this situation Hence, the whack-a-mole reference. It’s an ever changing landscape We make the best decisions (for our personal beliefs) at the time based upon the information we have on hand at the time --- ## Post 19 by @crossroads — 2026-06-28T14:02:38Z I am long time Mullvad user, but occasionally check IVPN and Proton, and maybe some other decent provider. I need commercial VPN mostly to bypass geo-blocking content and for torrents, I don’t expect it to provide much privacy or anonymity, but I would prefer some decent data protection, i.e. not selling it to 3rd parties. Also, good linux client is highly preferred. The only thing I didn’t like from mullvad was split tunneling that requires launching it every time that way, instead of setting it once, as on windows. It can be bypassed by editing .desktop files though. That was on their roadmap for long time, but still no updates. Similar is with ProtonVPN But IVPN has something similar (in beta), called Inverse mode, not ideal, but for sure better, at least for my needs. VPN is bypassed by default and you launch program from their application you want to route through their servers. And it can be done from system tray, which is great. One more plus is that one geo-block location stopped working on mullvad some time ago, but I see it works with IVPN server. And they have also updated their price to match mullvad (5 devices, ~55€ a year), previously there were 2 devices for basic, and 7 for plus plan, but I need at least 5. The downsides are number of servers compared to Mullvad, and especially to Proton, lack of their own infrastructure, and I think speeds are lower for some locations, but I need to test it more. I think I would switch to IVPN regardless of mullvad’s CEO behavior as for my use-case, it seems to be the best. I checked NymVPN, Obscura and Njalla, but they don’t have servers at locations I need, plus last two have no linux clients. But Nym could also be a good choice, as it’s cheaper (for yearly purchase) --- ## Post 20 by @zoqqa — 2026-06-28T14:07:46Z If I were to avoid everything just because someone does or has done things I don’t like, I’d probably end up sitting alone in the dark. I take a pragmatic approach to the whole thing. The service does exactly what I want it to do. If the CEO really does support fascists, then I think that’s terrible, but it’s his private business, and I hope he gets a taste of fascism firsthand. Alternatively, he could also advocate for integration and support parties that are seriously committed to it, not just as a token gesture because it sounds good on paper. --- ## Post 21 by @HotSauce — 2026-06-28T14:13:47Z I’ve been using IVPN for a while and it’s been good. The main issues are that the server count is low, and many of the servers don’t run on 10 Gbps. Also, some servers aren’t RAM-only. --- ## Post 22 by @TheApocalipseDude — 2026-06-28T14:14:56Z > [@zoqqa](#): > > If I were to avoid everything just because someone does or has done things I don’t like, I’d probably end up sitting alone in the dark. I take a pragmatic approach to the whole thing. The service does exactly what I want it to do. If the CEO really does support fascists, then I think that’s terrible, but it’s his private business, and I hope he gets a taste of fascism firsthand. Alternatively, he could also advocate for integration and support parties that are seriously committed to it, not just as a token gesture because it sounds good on paper. Fair point, and I appreciate the honesty. I’m certainly not judging anyone who takes a more pragmatic stance. I’m simply sharing where I personally stand on this. For me, it’s not about pursuing some impossible standard of ideological purity and I completely agree that would be unrealistic and exhausting. It’s more about the fact that when someone in a position of power openly aligns themselves with fascism, that crosses a line I’m personally not willing to overlook. For me, fascism isn’t just another political opinion, so for me, choosing to step away in those cases is a matter of conscience, not perfectionism. --- ## Post 23 by @mika — 2026-06-28T14:21:34Z Damn. I’ve already purchased Mullvad gift cards for the next few years of service so I suppose I’ll keep using it for now since they’ve already gotten my money. But I’ll reassess after that. As someone who recently read Hannah Arendt’s Eichmann in Jerusalem I can’t believe ‘remigration’ of legal residents is once again an acceptable idea in Europe. We all know where it led. --- ## Post 24 by @TheDoc — 2026-06-28T14:35:40Z > [@DucksLive](#): > > To actually put my money where my mouth is… I was a happy Proton mail paid subscriber. Within weeks of the CEOs infamous comments I was gone Tbh I’d assume all CEOs are right-wing unless proven otherwise as the position itself exists to sit at the top of a business hierarchy. A company made up of leftists would’ve formed a cooperative instead. For me it becomes an issue worth talking about when a co-owner is using the money I pay them to advance an agenda I’d consider authoritarian, as it seems to be the case with Mullvad. (I’m just chiming in with my opinion, of course it’s your right to avoid Proton either way.) --- ## Post 25 by @spyfall — 2026-06-28T14:54:58Z Not sure, why it’s a problem. Why not judge the product by its quality rather than personal political opinions of their CEOs? So, the CEO donated his own money to a party that he supports? What’s the problem? If the product is genuinely the best in the market, why would I abandon it in favor of less secure (DAITA) and less reliable (for me, at least) option? Left and right in USA and Europe became so polarized and so closed in their own bubbles that it feels absolutely insane. Name-calling anyone who doesn’t share the same view as yourself a fascist is extremely stupid. It wasn’t the case 20 years ago, everyone respected and shared opposite beliefs. --- ## Post 26 by @Nightingale — 2026-06-28T15:02:01Z It’s not a problem if you don’t care about anything going on in the world. But at the end the donations came from your money. It’s not like Mullvad grew green stuff on a tree. Indirectly you are the one supporting the cause. Imagine if you are in a war scenario and the company you buy products from, donates to your enemy. It’s your money going against what you believe in. --- ## Post 27 by @CookieCrumbler — 2026-06-28T15:03:01Z Most big companies eventually run into some kind of controversy whether it’s supply chains, politics, or executive choices. If we boycotted every brand over a founder’s personal views or a donation, we’d basically have no tech left to use. At the end of the day, it’s better to focus on the product itself, how they handle your privacy, and if they’re transparent. Perfect moral alignment is pretty much impossible to find, so just aim for what works best for you. --- ## Post 28 by @carbonated — 2026-06-28T15:33:08Z Thanks for the feedback. Do you know where I can see detailed info on their servers like you mentioned? Did a quick search and could only find a status page about their servers. Adding to the general discussion: this donation (paid among others by us users) is nothing minor and allowed the party to go for bigger elections. If you are not against such actions early on, you will be able to do even less once these companies/persons/parties etc. become bigger. Good luck for example trying to “boycott” amazon with all their AWS servers.. But can you boycott Mullvad at this stage? Absolutely. --- ## Post 31 by @HotSauce — 2026-06-28T16:01:55Z 10 Gbps [Servers](https://www.reddit.com/r/IVPN/comments/1tkq14q/comment/one1f9y/) & [RAM-only](https://www.reddit.com/r/IVPN/comments/1u1mczt/comment/oqs8axc/) --- ## Post 32 by @pine — 2026-06-28T16:15:24Z I unfortunately don’t have experiences to share, but I’m severely unimpressed by some users in this thread. Looking to the forum guidelines, one of the key tenets is: > keep this a kind, friendly place for civilized public discourse Even if your political views differ, I struggle to see the kindness in some of these responses, such as in highlighting that you’ll buy another year of support for what OP regards as a crisis. It’s far from respectful and just serves to weaken what little community we have to help one another and ward privacy rights. Make another thread if you want to celebrate, but keep your eyes on the ball. OP is asking for experiences with IVPN, not political input. Help them. --- ## Post 33 by @Expert4870 — 2026-06-28T16:15:37Z > [@carbonated](#): > > - anonymous account (all 3?) Proton isn’t anon account. > [@carbonated](#): > > - Not supporting fascists (iVPN, and a bit Proton?) I haven’t seen evidence that Mullvad, IVPN, or Proton support fascists. > [@carbonated](#): > > but you have to draw the line at one point and Mullvad definitely crossed that for me. Mullvad hasn’t done anything differently… > [@carbonated](#): > > Edit: being downvoted for not wanting support to have fascists in governmemt is wild tbh. What do you think those parties will do once in power? See the USA.. You’re likely being downvoted for uselessly bringing politics into privacy discussion and mistating the extent, but obviously I’m not the person that downvoted you. I guess that’s the whole thread, but that could be the people opposing its view. Bringing up/promoting stuff like this with Proton, Brave, and Mullvad is exactly what I would do if I was an authoritarian country/agency. I definitely think there’s people that have stayed on Chrome/Gmail because of this cringe reddit behavior.. I’m not saying anyone is a fed, it’s just the type of discourse that is counterproductive to advancing privacy for the world. --- ## Post 34 by @Expert4870 — 2026-06-28T16:18:56Z [https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e](https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e) --- ## Post 37 by @DanielM — 2026-06-28T17:19:50Z > [@carbonated](#): > > As I understand, it only concerns the no-log audit part and not in general the audits though. This refers to the no-logs policy. IVPN has improved considerably and continues to do so. --- ## Post 38 by @anon64393658 — 2026-06-28T18:28:51Z Referring to Andy Yen as a Nazi sympathizer is beyond hyperbole and enters right into slander. He said a stupid thing clumsily, but he is not a fascist. The company he founded is a powerful tool to **oppose** authoritarian governments. This purity testing and hyper-partisanship has made online discourse nearly useless. --- ## Post 39 by @cedarwind1 — 2026-06-28T18:29:41Z You can - and absolutely should - support companies that champion your values. Part of being in this bubble is being able to make conscious decisions to support more ethical businesses. Plenty of digital ink can be spilled as to whether that’s a feature or a bug of the online privacy movement. According to this thread and the general vibe of those on Reddit, quite a lot of people support [“remigrating” or “repatriating” Sandra, a 13 year old Swedish child](https://www.tv4.se/artikel/5HlX9C5PYgpso4b5YhSKT/sandra-13-utvisas-till-ett-land-hon-aldrig-varit-i-bara-panik) who was born in Sweden and raised Swedish. I fear that words like “remigration” and[“monoculturalism”](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-20/what-is-monoculturalism-and-what-does-it-look-like-in-practice/106818222) are merely PR spin on pure hatred. The fact that [Daniel is still involved in the company](https://mullvad.net/en/about) leads me to believe some portion of my subscription fees has gone into the pocket of the Örebro party and (what I find to be) their [hateful rhetoric](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party#Immigration_and_remigration_policy). I hope we don’t forget the policies of [Germany in 1938](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_refugees_from_Nazism#Forced_emigration_1938%E2%80%931939). I have been looking at IVPN because of its recommendation by PG but I am slightly hesitant as I would like to support EU businesses where possible. Maybe we’ll see new companies looking to fill that gap, and/or perhaps the PG recommendations get expanded in the future. --- ## Post 40 by @Valynor — 2026-06-28T18:51:18Z Reminder to everyone to adhere to our [Guidelines - Privacy Guides Community](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/guidelines) If this discussion does not continue in a civilised manner it will be closed. --- ## Post 41 by @carbonated — 2026-06-28T20:20:46Z To give an update on the technical side: I just bought a 1 month subscription of IVPN and will report back how it compares to Mullvad. Thanks so far for the useful answers. Edit: my main motive against Proton was the non-availability of anonymous payment btw. --- ## Post 42 by @Pedja — 2026-06-29T00:00:56Z IVPN is great, and Mullvad is still one of the best VPNs out there, no matter what some Swedish communist newspaper has to say. --- ## Post 44 by @Expert4870 — 2026-06-29T06:08:56Z I wanted to try IVPN just because Mullvad is so popular, but I like Mullvad browser and Mullvad truly has a perfect track record afaik. Just look at how fast they responded to that fingerprinting attack when the researcher didn’t do responsible disclosure. A cool feature of IVPN is it will disable if you connect on your home network with it running, which would be convenient and save bandwidth for me. The Mullvad android app is perfect afaict and highly reliable, but once my year subscription runs out I will try a month of IVPN. --- ## Post 46 by @viktorivpn — 2026-06-29T08:51:59Z > [@HotSauce](#): > > 10 Gbps [Servers](https://www.reddit.com/r/IVPN/comments/1tkq14q/comment/one1f9y/) & [RAM-only](https://www.reddit.com/r/IVPN/comments/1u1mczt/comment/oqs8axc/) I’ll be up front in saying that infrastructure improvements have taken a back seat due to our pricing restructuring and launch of new services this past year. We are in the process of expanding our infra staff for this reason, and continuing with RAM-only rollout will be the primary focus when that’s done. Regarding locations, server count and bandwidth (eg. 10 Gbps servers), please let us know what is missing or could be improved based on your day-to-day needs and experience, and we’ll do our best to expand where necessary. We don’t believe in adding new servers and increasing bw. for optics or just to match competitors on paper, but we do want to provide ample capacity so users get the experience they expect. --- ## Post 47 by @lyricism — 2026-06-29T10:40:54Z Are there any plans to add quantum resistance similar to mullvad’s via the Wireguard psk? --- ## Post 48 by @byesun — 2026-06-29T10:57:37Z They already have that. --- ## Post 49 by @lyricism — 2026-06-29T11:02:20Z Interesting. I didn’t see it listed on their website anywhere as a feature. That’s definitely good if true. Do they support it without using their apps like mullvad does via something like [mullvad-upgrade-tunnel](https://github.com/mullvad/wgephemeralpeer)? If not I would adjust my question to be about that in particular. --- ## Post 50 by @byesun — 2026-06-29T11:23:13Z You can get things working using their CLI (and `ivpn-service`), but I’m not sure if there’s a way to upgrade a manually established WireGuard connection. I’m actually not sure if there’s a way to get the quantum-resistant channels working in BSD now that I think about it, since I’m unsure how the CLI will function on something other than Linux. --- ## Post 51 by @carbonated — 2026-06-29T11:42:57Z Hi @viktorivpn, thanks for joining the discussion! Glad to hear that about ram-only to be expanded. My current work around would have been to use multi-hop including a ram-only server so at least somewhere in between the track gets lost in case of country-wide seizures (very unlikely, I know). **To report back on the service so far and to compare a bit to Mullvad:** - 88 servers compared to \>500 of Mullvad - Servers are focussed on North-America, Europe, some in Latin America and South East Asia - Linux app can start very early on startup via daemon service (I coarsely remember Mullvad can, too? But did not see it prominently in the app) - No speed issues so far. But I am not a power-user and was using Mullvad with DAITA, which also limits your bandwidth. So far no complaints at all. The number of servers works well for me. One daily need I have is a server in a specific country to access geoblocked content on youtube, which works. Some thoughts about lower amount of servers: this should help to get lost a bit more into the crowd as the amount of user per server might be higher. On the other hand, if one of them is blocked, your options are also more limited (see my case above of needing a specific country for geoblocked content). I am not using any DNS blocking / realizing this otherwise for few apps (RethinkDNS on Android). One thing I will likely miss is DAITA. But then again, my battery will be happy about it. --- ## Post 52 by @viktorivpn — 2026-06-29T11:51:34Z Re: Quantum-resistant connections: [Introducing quantum resistant WireGuard connections in IVPN apps](https://www.ivpn.net/blog/quantum-resistant-wireguard-connections-ivpn-apps/) - not available via custom configs, but that’s on our roadmap. @carbonated a DAITA-type solution is also on our roadmap, it will take some time to get there as we other priorities right now (eg. ARM support for Windows/Linux and rolling out Ram-only servers). --- ## Post 53 by @lamtrinhdev — 2026-06-29T12:32:49Z Dear @viktorivpn , It is so cool that you joined this topic for discussion. Do we have any plan in roadmap for selected specific server on application? Currently I have an problem that what to select Flokinet server on Iceland on IVPN application but it only selected EstNOC server on Iceland. I think this is a very good and necessary feature ( at least for me) that Mullvad VPN and Proton VPN supported a long time ago. Thanks, Lam --- ## Post 54 by @ignoramous — 2026-06-29T15:15:24Z > [@fiqiluvo.epileto](#): > > I’ll make sure to buy a yearly subscription this time :smiling_face: At $5/mo, Mullvad isn’t best value for money; as there are cheaper alternatives. > [@carbonated](#): > > - Independently audited It matters more just what is audited. And audits, if they do not read like marketing material, are about a system in restricted scope at a particular point in time. It isn’t a “living document”, for better or for worse. > [@carbonated](#): > > - Anonymous payment (Mullvad, iVPN) Doesn’t mean much if you’d connect to Mullvad / iVPN directly, as your IP (as assigned by your ISP) is visible to them (and hence you’re not really “anonymous”). This matters because… > [@carbonated](#): > > - No log policy + anonymous account (all 3?) EU-based VPN providers, which are subject to EU laws, are required to log in criminal cases. * * * > [@crossroads](#): > > I checked NymVPN, Obscura Obscura whitelabels the second-hop to Mullvad. > [@mika](#): > > I’ve already purchased Mullvad gift cards for the next few years of service so I suppose I’ll keep using it for now since they’ve already gotten my money. But I’ll reassess after that. You might be in luck: > … if you no longer want to be a Mullvad customer for philosophical reasons, we think it’s important to honor that. In that case, reach out to support. > > - [kfreds](https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=kfreds). > [@spyfall](#): > > Why not judge the product by its quality rather than personal political opinions of their CEOs Agree, but: CEOs are public faces of respective corps, and usually stand to gain the most from whatever the company is marketing/selling. > [@CookieCrumbler](#): > > If we boycotted every brand over a founder’s personal views or a donation, we’d basically have no tech left to use. If you’re individualistic, you do what you can, whenever you can; including not doing anything. As a collective, you may choose differently. > [@cedarwind1](#): > > The fact that [Daniel is still involved in the company](https://mullvad.net/en/about) leads me to believe I personally don’t like cancel culture (though, I understand it), but unless Daniel Berntsson publicly clarifies their (what seems like a private) political donation, we’re mostly jumping to conclusions. > [@carbonated](#): > > I am planning to move to iVPN I’ve had good experiences as a customer of Amnezia, Proton, and Windscribe.[[1]](#footnote-159001-1) I’ve only heard & observed positive things about iVPN (though, never used them). * * * 1. So much so, we wanted to sell these providers to our app’s users… iVPN too, in some alternate universe, but they seemed uninterested. [↩︎](#footnote-ref-159001-1) --- ## Post 55 by @carbonated — 2026-06-29T15:30:50Z I can select that server if I want. Did you activate in the app, general, enable selection of individual servers..? --- ## Post 56 by @carbonated — 2026-06-29T15:36:20Z Thanks for sharing your view, I value yours quite a lot. Do you have more info on the log policy of EU? How would that look in reality and has any provider followed such a request? Will also check it for myself but maybe you have some input already. --- ## Post 57 by @lamtrinhdev — 2026-06-29T16:11:47Z Dear @carbonated , Thank you for your feedback. I want to selected specific server in IVPN application but in the list, it is countries only and when I connect to Iceland and check provider with [ip2location.com](http://ip2location.com) , [ip.me](http://ip.me) , [Connection check | Mullvad VPN](http://mullvad.net/en/check) for many days, it always show EstNOC, not FlokiNet :frowning: . I only can selected FlokiNet server when I generate Wireguard config on IVPN website. --- ## Post 58 by @ignoramous — 2026-06-29T16:27:39Z > [@carbonated](#): > > Do you have more info on the log policy of EU? > [@Leak confirms GrapheneOS & Motorola partnership for non-Pixel hardware](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/leak-confirms-grapheneos-motorola-partnership-for-non-pixel-hardware/35840/74): > > For instance, [EU’s e-Evidence directive from 2026](https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32023R1543), specifically authored for “network-based services” like “proxy services”, requires storing even the encrypted data (which clearly, they plan to decrypt if they could obtain the keys, too; which, in some schemes, are derived from or locked behind end-user passwords). Regardless of laws of the land, the “no logs” providers may yet log (for anti-abuse prevention, for example): [Separate VPN Servers and VPN Clients - #17 by ignoramous](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/separate-vpn-servers-and-vpn-clients/34153/17) * * * > [@carbonated](#): > > How would that look in reality and has any provider followed such a request? Don’t think these providers have a choice of not following through a legal request, if they want to remain in business. > [@Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protester/36007/83): > > I specifically quoted, I wonder if you are debating yourself? I’ll leave you two at it. Good. To me, what’s troubling is folks taking Proton’s marketing weasel and passing off as some gospel, yeah. These are all first party sources you’re relying on. I’m not a lawyer but, Mutual Legal Assistance, in reality, seems to be ‘bypassed’ for cybercrime investigations ([ref](https://rm.coe.int/16802e726c)), as the Budapest Convention (which Switzerland is a signatory to) takes over. Police-to-police cooperation for the sha… --- ## Post 59 by @carbonated — 2026-06-29T17:34:29Z @lamtrinhdev : strange, this is what I see in the linux app ![grafik](https://forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/3X/a/c/ac8a73269c95f0598463656e4d1c8961e957104f.png) @ignoramous : thanks for elaborating, will dive deeper into this topic --- ## Post 60 by @lamtrinhdev — 2026-06-29T17:53:43Z Wow, thank you for your response. It is so cool on Linux, but is not the same for iOS and Android (display country list only). --- ## Post 61 by @markwyner — 2026-06-29T18:03:21Z @carbonated I opened a thread about this as well. Some folks had helpful things to say in replies, so you might want to also [look through those](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/njalla-vpn/38835). --- ## Post 62 by @markwyner — 2026-06-29T18:05:43Z > [@DanielM](#): > > 1. it doesn’t claim anything “guaranteed” within VPN usage This is actually the key component for me. Privacy-focused companies spend a lot of time trying to best the others, and in doing so they make wild promises. I love that IVPN is honest about our reality. That speaks volumes, and I can see why PG has them on their recommendations list. --- ## Post 63 by @levobe2624 — 2026-06-29T18:09:42Z My post was censored (very unfair). But I will re-word it, I did message the moderators to un-censor it. But I believe that when those in the privacy community put stuff out like this that it may dissuade some people from using a certain privacy company (like Mullvad), but it will also attract others on the other side of the political aisle to want to use Mullvad even more (like me). This is why I think politics should be left out of privacy discussions and we should come together (no matter the political ideology) for the betterment of privacy for all. We can have the political debate elseware, but let’s work together when it comes to privacy instead of against each other. --- ## Post 64 by @fenasiabi — 2026-06-29T18:13:24Z I am leaving too. This world has no place for racists. Just look into the Party’s head political positions and statements. Also they are heavily censoring the subreddit. Which is kinda… you know… against Mullvads values? --- ## Post 65 by @obscuracarl — 2026-06-29T18:38:07Z What locations do you need btw? (just curious) --- ## Post 66 by @Sraars — 2026-06-29T19:04:55Z My contribution to this is privacy _is_ political. To pretend it’s not is digging ones head in the sand of the highest order. --- ## Post 68 by @viktorivpn — 2026-06-29T20:11:16Z It’s available on all platforms. Go to Settings / General and tick “Enable selection of individual servers…”. --- ## Post 71 by @lamtrinhdev — 2026-06-30T00:02:22Z Dear @viktorivpn , Wow, thank you for your support. I see it now. It is my mistake. --- ## Post 73 by @KhalidFusion — 2026-06-30T06:59:16Z I’ve used IVPN in the past, and they work well. They come with several other products like Mailx and Portmaster if you pay for the higher tiers, but notably don’t have DAITA like Mullvad does if that is important to you. Mullvad and IVPN are very in many ways, but both have their own unique features. Despite the disagreement within some members of the community here, I believe that we should be accepting of other people and their opinions, regardless of whether we agree with them or not. There is so much division in this world, and switching services solely because someone working at a company (regardless of their position) has political values not aligning with yours is not the way to bring us together in acceptance. Both providers respect your privacy and have strong track records. The choice is yours to make. --- ## Post 74 by @Quoc — 2026-06-30T07:32:04Z As I know, IVPN moved to UK. I see the information here: [IVPN LTD overview - Find and update company information - GOV.UK](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14594956) --- ## Post 75 by @Bhaelros — 2026-06-30T07:59:12Z If you looked at the link that you provided, you could have seen that it was dissolved. ![grafik](https://forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/3X/4/5/453de93764a38a48c1ceef5a63be94cbf2f2ad84.png) also from IVPN site [IVPN Privacy Policy](https://www.ivpn.net/en/privacy/) ### How do you react when requested by an authority for information relating to a customer? The company is incorporated in Gibraltar. If a court order is received from a recognised legal authority with jurisdiction over IVPN, then the company will comply with that order. However, the company cannot be compelled to hand over information which it does not have. When a customer signs up, we request no personal information. If it ever becomes required by law for us to keep a persistent log of our customers connections or any personal data relating to their network activity, we will immediately notify our customers and do everything in our power to move jurisdictions or close the service to protect those who entrust their privacy to us. --- ## Post 77 by @levobe2624 — 2026-06-30T08:52:26Z I would agree with you that if it is true that Mullvad is censoring their subreddit, I would definitely be put off by that. However, I have been censored on this forum three times now, not because I said anything crazy or anything like that, but I took a right wing position. One of the times was in this specific thread actually. I guess if I took a left wing position on topics like this one then I would not have to worry about being censored. --- ## Post 82 by @anon92947183 — 2026-06-30T09:34:36Z > [@Bhaelros](#): > > If it ever becomes **required** by law for us to keep a _persistent_ log of our customers connections or any personal data relating to their network activity, we will immediately notify our customers Nice, but not actually accurate when they are compelled not to notify - effectively ‘gagged’. So I wouldn’t rely on this particularly not on an individual basis. --- ## Post 83 by @Bhaelros — 2026-06-30T09:45:20Z Yeah, good luck getting that order in Gibraltar :slight_smile: --- ## Post 84 by @zoqqa — 2026-06-30T09:50:39Z > [@ignoramous](#): > > Don’t think these providers have a choice of not following through a legal request, if they want to remain in business. [Mullvad No Log Proven](https://www.techradar.com/news/mullvads-no-log-policy-proven-after-police-raid) [Mullvad No Logging Policy](https://mullvad.net/en/help/no-logging-data-policy) [Swedish legislation relevant to us as a VPN provider](https://mullvad.net/en/help/swedish-legislation) --- ## Post 85 by @viktorivpn — 2026-06-30T10:00:08Z We have nothing to do with this company or any other company registered in the UK. See response from @Bhaelros - everything on our website is up-to-date factual and applies. > Nice, but not actually accurate when they are compelled not to notify - effectively ‘gagged’. So I wouldn’t rely on this particularly not on an individual basis. We said this publicly before, if we are in a situation where we are forced to violate any of our policies or promises, we will contest all orders to the end, then move jurisdictions, or shut down the company (in this order, whichever is possible) before doing so. We would rather look for new ways of doing something useful & getting paid for it than throw away our founding principles and give up our users. --- ## Post 87 by @ignoramous — 2026-06-30T10:52:49Z > [@Bhaelros](#): > > good luck getting that order in Gibraltar Gibraltar has often ratified laws the UK passes, [including the IPA](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/proton-is-moving-most-of-its-physical-infrastructure-out-of-switzerland/29398/91) (?). But also: [iVPN dual jurisdiction?](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/ivpn-dual-jurisdiction/36230) > [@iVPN dual jurisdiction?](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/ivpn-dual-jurisdiction/36230/11): > > Regarding your “dual jurisdiction” assessment. Yes we operate in two jurisdictions, that’s a legal fact … And: > IVPN is subject to EU law … ([privacy policy](https://web.archive.org/web/20260511161324/https://www.ivpn.net/en/privacy/)). * * * > [@zoqqa](#): > > [Swedish legislation relevant to us as a VPN provider](https://mullvad.net/en/help/swedish-legislation) Curiously, the EU e-Evidence directive and the [Budapest Convention](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/budapest-convention-on-cybercrime/28023) are missing? You should write to them if you’re a paying customer. But also: Mullvad’s post needs update as the Swedish laws in question have been amended to add more powers since (from what I can tell). And: [Clarification on the Swedish Covert Surveillance Act](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/clarification-on-the-swedish-covert-surveillance-act/23499) --- ## Post 88 by @zoqqa — 2026-06-30T11:01:28Z > [@ignoramous](#): > > Curiously, the EU e-Evidence directive and the [Budapest Convention](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/budapest-convention-on-cybercrime/28023) are missing? You should write to them if you’re a paying customer. The same link you referred to indicates who has already taken countermeasures. [Mullvad DAITA](https://mullvad.net/en/vpn/daita) --- ## Post 89 by @anon92947183 — 2026-06-30T11:38:18Z > [@viktorivpn](#): > > if we are in a situation where we are **forced** to violate any of our policies or promises Indeed > [@viktorivpn](#): > > we will contest all orders to the end, then move jurisdictions, or shut down the company (in this order, whichever is possible) **before** doing so Whilst admirable, if you are compelled, leaving the jurisdiction won’t stop that requirement. So, in the example of this being just one individual account or a group of accounts, or more generally speaking, there will be a timeframe given and you’ll face penalties if you refuse. Yes, you may then seek alternative jurisdictions after, but this doesn’t change the original requirement. Proton, Tuta, Lavabit… and I think it was Lavabit who closed down but was also ‘gagged’ for a period of time. --- ## Post 90 by @viktorivpn — 2026-06-30T11:55:13Z This is all true, but I don’t understand the point you are making. Are you saying that what I say (ie. we can absolutely proceed in a way that won’t give up users) is not possible? Because then I disagree. You just have to read my point all the way to the end. Or you take an issue with the “we will notify users” part? That text was written 10+ years ago, maybe it needs a revision saying " attempt to notify". Yes you can be gagged, threatened with fines and penalties, but you can absolutely just flip a switch. Most are not prepared to do that, we are, just like Lavabit did. --- ## Post 91 by @viktorivpn — 2026-06-30T12:08:08Z @ignoramous I’m curious, are you insinuating here that being located in Gibraltar does not offer necessary or sufficient protections for our customers? Or do you have a specific point or concern about our jurisdiction? I’m getting the impression that you like to challenge this topic when it comes to IVPN and offer a lot of counterpoints and open doors to potential rabbit holes that are not always accurate (ie. “IVPN is fully subject to Swiss law!” paraphrasing here). Can you state clearly what is your angle here - are you offering pointers so we can improve, or try to dissuade prospective users for any specific reasons we could discuss? --- ## Post 92 by @viktorivpn — 2026-06-30T12:19:41Z btw. I do appreciate highlighting the EU law part. that is not accurate any more with this specific wording since Brexit and we will need to review it. the spirit of the wording is still true. this point however was and is not relevant to court orders regarding compelled logging, just like having a Swiss company publish our Android app isn’t either. This does not make the company vulnerable or increase the risk in this regard. The necessary steps and channels in inter-jurisdictional matters are the same, and our processes set in our legal guidelines are unaffected. --- ## Post 93 by @anon92947183 — 2026-06-30T12:48:10Z > [@viktorivpn](#): > > Or you take an issue with the “we will notify users” part? That text was written 10+ years ago, maybe it needs a revision saying " attempt to notify" This would be better. I _think_. > [@viktorivpn](#): > > but you can absolutely just flip a switch Precisely my point. This works both ways. And herein relies on not only trust (which I am not questioning here on your part), but also on matters of legality in what you would be able to say. If you’re ordered not to say anything, then there’s little you can do other than what Lavabit did eventually. We also have to bear in mind that some laws also apply extraterritorially. This includes the U.K. IPA. Just look at the state of the U.K. handling and imposition with Apple and ADP! I fully admire any person or organisation that have these best intentions. This shouldn’t be seen as a criticism and applies across the board, not solely IVPN. I just don’t think explicitly pointing out that you will “notify” users will do you any favours in the longer term when the inevitable happens. --- ## Post 94 by @viktorivpn — 2026-06-30T12:53:53Z > [@anon92947183](#): > > I just don’t think explicitly pointing out that you will “notify” users will do you any favours in the longer term when the inevitable happens. I fully agree with this and we will change it accordingly. --- ## Post 97 by @ph00lt0 — 2026-06-30T18:46:53Z --- ## Post 98 by @ph00lt0 — 2026-06-30T18:47:35Z Due to excessive moderation this thread remains closed.