# Is Samsung's knox vault secure enough as Titan M2 and Tensor security core

**URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/is-samsungs-knox-vault-secure-enough-as-titan-m2-and-tensor-security-core/17974
**Category:** Questions
**Tags:** software
**Created:** 2024-04-21T17:13:42Z
**Posts:** 6

## Post 1 by @Sad — 2024-04-21T17:13:42Z

I have heard samsung has made its knox vault feature available to mid range phones , are samsung phones atleast as secure and private as pixel ones if i remove bloatware , i think samsung has now equivalent hardware based security solution.( i have heard pixel phones have worst after sale support compared to samsung phones and regarding i really wonder if used iphones are really safe for use, so looking to use samsung phones)

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## Post 2 by @TinFoilHat — 2024-04-21T17:46:33Z

Samsung phone is like a regular on Pwn2Own hacked list.

> **[Samsung Galaxy S23 hacked two more times at Pwn2Own Toronto](https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/samsung-galaxy-s23-hacked-two-more-times-at-pwn2own-toronto/)**
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> Security researchers hacked the Samsung Galaxy S23 smartphone two more times on the second day of the Pwn2Own 2023 hacking competition in Toronto, Canada.

> **[Samsung Galaxy S22 hacked again on second day of Pwn2Own](https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/samsung-galaxy-s22-hacked-again-on-second-day-of-pwn2own/)**
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> Contestants hacked the Samsung Galaxy S22 again during the second day of the consumer-focused Pwn2Own 2022 competition in Toronto, Canada.

> **[Samsung Galaxy S21 hacked on second day of Pwn2Own Austin](https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/samsung-galaxy-s21-hacked-on-second-day-of-pwn2own-austin/)**
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> Contestants hacked the Samsung Galaxy S21 smartphone during the second day of the Pwn2Own Austin 2021 competition, as well as routers, NAS devices, speakers, and printers from Cisco, TP-Link, Western Digital, Sonos, Canon,...

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## Post 3 by @redoomed1 — 2024-04-21T17:50:39Z

> [@Sad](#):
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> are samsung phones atleast as secure and private as pixel ones if i remove bloatware

The [answer ph00lt0 gave you](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/are-samsung-android-phones-recommended-for-privacy-and-security-particularely-a-series/10393/5) in the thread you opened more than a year ago should still ring true:

> There isn’t really an alternative to Google Pixel or iPhone. If you chose not to get this for perhaps understandable reasons and limitations you will have to deal with the consequences of this. I can’t make it any brighter. You can always try to disable or uninstall as much bloatware but it will never get to a similar level [of security and privacy].

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> [@Sad](#):
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> if used iphones are really safe for use

Yes, they are. They have been recommended [before](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/android-phone-is-pixel-the-only-available-option/335/6) on this forum.

> If you’re still not able to get a Pixel (new or used), the next best thing would honestly be a used iPhone, or an iPhone SE. They typically get updates for even longer than Pixels (~6-7 years) and are also quite secure and private

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## Post 4 by @pinkandwhite — 2024-04-22T09:04:22Z

just counting vulns is not an accurate way to determine whether a system is secure – also commonly seen at Pwn2Own are various hypervisor escapes, privesc on Windows and Linux, browser exploits etc.

But in this case, yes, Samsung phones don’t have as robust hardware security as iPhones or Pixels, this is something that Daniel Micay from GOS has talked about before in the GOS matrix rooms and probably posted about on twitter too (I don’t use twitter though so idk)

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## Post 5 by @id_privat — 2024-04-22T12:44:59Z

Yes it is. It is using same technology, but on their own chip.  
[Learn more](https://www.samsungknox.com/en/secured-by-knox)

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## Post 6 by @anon29374801 — 2024-04-22T20:02:13Z

I don’t think so.

GrapheneOS called Knox “[branding for standard security features](https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1731629519348617522)”

They also say [“Pixels ended up overtaking them [Samsung] quite significantly”](https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1731632870672740529)