# Ironvest

**URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/ironvest/17444
**Category:** Tool Suggestions
**Created:** 2024-03-21T06:04:20Z
**Posts:** 6

## Post 1 by @alonewolf — 2024-03-21T06:04:20Z

found out about Ironvest (formerly Abine) and was wondering why there weren’t any discussions about this service here. they have a generous free plan with email aliases, and also have masked cards and phone numbers. could be a decent service to be recommended ig unless I am missing out something.

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## Post 2 by @ph00lt0 — 2024-03-21T11:09:02Z

It was discussed before

> [@Has anyone here used virtual cards like with privacy.com?](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/has-anyone-here-used-virtual-cards-like-with-privacy-com/15594/7):
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> Ironvest feels a bit sketchy. I used abine blur back when I started caring about privacy but left before ironvest bought them. [This person on LTT forums](https://linustechtips.com/topic/1539934-thoughts-on-ironvest/#comment-16200828) has a pretty good breakdown of why.

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## Post 3 by @jerm — 2024-03-21T12:42:26Z

# Bank-grade security.

:rofl:

 ![image](//forum-uploads.privacyguidesusercontent.com/original/2X/f/f617304af346b9adf2e8bd343184403d447d76ae.png)

> RECOMMENDED BY EXPERTS

When was paying to a news agency to review your product with the worst kind of metrics muh PrOs and ConS called “Experts”.

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## Post 4 by @alonewolf — 2024-03-21T14:53:51Z

yeah I did see it but felt it was just regarding virtual cards but I thought my post could be used to judge their overall service including the masked emails and phone numbers? reading the LTT link too the only problem I saw was about the biometric data being held for quite a long time other than that I couldn’t understand much of it. the audit missing does seem a severe point but I thought people over here at PG could look into it since people here seem more knowledgeable about pros and cons of a service w.r.t privacy and security overall.

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## Post 5 by @alonewolf — 2024-03-21T14:55:38Z

the use of bank grade security and experts like PC world and techradar did seem funny but I think it’s mostly for marketing and advertising so can be ignored if the service seems solid but yeah does come off a bit misleading.

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## Post 6 by @Jorgefreeman — 2024-03-21T23:54:10Z

IronVest is not open source. It is a proprietary software. Proprietary = we can’t check code or selfhost = we must believe in words = no trust