Yes, that’s why I said Vanadium is not a good choice
So, you recommend Tor Browser instead Alpha or Nightly or IronFox?
Why, Looks Phoenix seems can be install/use in Tor Browser, Some aspects are more secure and private
If you use Vanadium in incognito or clear app data after every use, you’ll look similar to other GrapheneOS users on that phone.
This isn’t true and can easily be tested.
Just try CreepJS and you’ll see the visit counter at 1, whereas Tor Browser is in the dozens or hundreds.
I also just tested it with two of the same devices on the same GOS version and they were both qunique.
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Yeah, seems like i was wrong.
Is there an android browser that doesn’t fail this test?
None. Either don’t use your phone, or use Vanadium on GrapheneOS without accessing anything that can be traced back to you. Use Tails OS as your main way of accessing the internet.
Phoenix and Tor are for different threat models.
Tor’s goal is anonymity, to make everyone look the same. If you change anything other than the security levels, it would make you unique.
As a lesson to anyone reading this thread: if you plan on entering, or have a chance of getting into, a high stakes threat model, do research BEFORE your life is on the line. It may just be a grave mistake to try to secure and anonymize yourself after the fact. Asking about what browser to use while facing a life or death threat model feels like asking if alcohol or peroxide is better for cleaning out blood stains in a carpet after a murder has occurred.
There is uncertainty if OP willingly, accidentally, or believes that they got their self in this position. Anyone reading should proactively asses where they are, and if they need to get serious fast.
As the saying goes: plan the getaway car before the heist.
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honestly, if you are able to know that your threat model is about to be substantially higher you should consult an expert on how to handle that and not rely on a forum. Especially in OPs case where the basics are not fully understood.
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Despite us recommending the threat model article they insist for some reason
like yeah dude if it’s an emergency why the hell are you in a forum, employ the necessary protections first before deciding on a browser and on the subject of browsers still use vanadium or tor browser depending on what you’re prioritizing.
Anyways Please stop giving them attention as I have heard of these users before and they’re not to be interacted (They actually beraided communities like GOS, with claims such as having super high threat model and that usually ends up just being a waste of time or something worse) this user seems to exhibit those similar patterns and if anything yeah it seems to have spread to PG.
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They said that CIA/MI6 was trying to assassinate them and that CIA/MI6 had agents on this forum performing reverse psychology on them.
Those posts were flagged and hidden.
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CIA/MI6 had agents on this forum performing reverse psychology on them.
I removed my reply.
I almost exclusively visit FOSS websites except for some crypto exchanges, that’s why I try to get help here, the high threat model doesn’t mean it’s urgent, I just don’t want to miss something
Phoenix also has anti-fingerprint function, without considering Tor, they are almost equally anonymous, and Tor alomost unique when accessing Clearnet.
So this forum has no experts and only provides solutions for low threat models, right?
Stop the high threat model guilt theory, it’s worth wasting time for privacy and anonymity, of course for those who don’t care about privacy and anonymity, including you, it can certainly be considered useless, I’m pretty sure a powerful adversary can easily destroy your privacy now, but you don’t care
Lol.
There is no comparison. Enforced similarity and crowd blending is what Tor does, phoenix or any other flavor of the month firefox clone can do nothing like it.
Yes, Tor is unique but small project with 5 maintainers and 10 users isn’t, right? Surely they have solved fingerprinting, which no other project has solved.
Ridiculous to think self proclaimed experts on an anonymous forum with potential LARPers is anything more than enthusiasts repeating what they read years ago. If you want experts find one and pay for their expertise. Stop expecting free labor for ridiculous demands.
Stop the constant allusion to “highest threat model” when it does not exist. You are probably irrelevant when it comes to being pursued by three letter agencies. If you have that high of a threat, don’t come to random forums on clearnet, pay for an expert.
As for your question, tor browser on whonix or tails OS is better if the intent is preventing fingerprinting. There is no alternative as of now.
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This forum is for privacy advocates, who said that being an expert was required to join the forum? Wasn’t the case for me, nor for you, nor anyone. There may be some technically strong members with respect to their own domain, but from what I’ve seen it’s specialized. For the rest, we answer our best with the knowledge we have. Life or death advice is not something anyone should take without a pillar of salt from internet strangers.
I’m afraid I don’t understand how being actively targeted by three letter agencies is anything close to casual, nonchalant, and not urgent.
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If you’re willing to listen do yourself a favour and don’t repeatedly ask wherever IronFox or Tor Browser is better, especially when targeted by three letter agency.
Instead:
Use GrapheneOS with Vanadium and Icognito mode and permanently turn on Airplane mode, This will be your most secure and private approach, they also have a built in content filter so it’s fine. Only use WiFi to receive GrapheneOS Updates and to use the messengers etc.
Use Orbot or Trusted VPNs (IVPN, Mullvad, ProtonVPN) to route traffic outside of your ISP. Replacing DNS with a local approach like Pi-Hole but otherwise don’t replace the trusted VPN’s DNS
Finally use Secure messengers like Signal or SimpleX since it provides icognito identity.
Disguise your identity and secure yourself well, there’s a very cool tool that was recently shared for it, it allows using different identities. http://strongphrase.net/
secure yourself as in literally, use strong passwords, Passkeys or 2FA with a password manager with a unique strong master password and have an emergency kit for your password manager, I recommend KeePassXC in this case.
Be careful what you run and what you send.
For some others you likely wanna go physically self hosting route or in general localize alot of things like a local non-privacy invading calendar for example (such as Fossify Calendar), Notes too, etc. For payments you wanna start using Monero.
Finally use Tails and/or QubesOS as your operating system of choice for the computers and full disk encrypting it. And on desktop you can use the Tor browser or Mullvad Browser here, they’re fine on the desktop. For Logins using LibreWolf or a properly configured Brave Browser will do.
And finally you should consult an expert on that.
If you keep asking for the ladder you’re essentially those users, sorry not sorry. If you’re, good luck don’t fail the opsec.
No such thing exists. Saying Vanadium is better than tor in current state is FUD and harmful to anyone following the advice. GrapheneOS itself does not consider vanadium close to tor browser for privacy.
Terrible advice.
VPNs will not save you from trivial surveillance. They are geolocation tools, not anonymity tools.
Lol.
Signal does not have anonymous identity. SimpleX is not battle tested.
This is just spaghetti advice thrown at wall to see what sticks. Tools based approach to privacy is wrong and leads to idiotic questions like “which encrypted email provider to use” or “what is better between torbrowser and firefox” instead of asking actual questions like what am I trying to protect, who are my adversaries, etc.. Stop firing off lists into the air, and discourage uncritical parroting of solutions peddled in similar threads.
This is also all off topic advice in this thread.
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It does but there is no guarantee one of them will answer you. Its a forum, there is a wide variety of people with a diverse set of knowledge.
Anyway that is not the point. This site and forum is not meant as a guide to become Edward Snowden. The site caters to beginners and casuals that’s why the very first topic in the knowledge base is threat modelling, which is the most basic step in someone privacy journey. Considering the director of the site thinks you should read that article is a pretty good sign of where your expertise levels is at.
That being said you are probably making massive opsec mistakes in real time if your threat level is as high as you say it is and you don’t know why Tor and IronFox is an apples to oranges comparison, hence why I recommend consulting an actual expert.
These are pretty conflicting statements. Which is even more reason that you should probably re-read the threat modeling article and try and pin down what your actual threat model is.
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It is not about “one of the best options”. For the thing OP outlined, nothing except tor browser is viable. You are more confident about vanadium than graphene itself, no wonder their fanbase has a reputation.
This is terrible understanding of how browsers work. Incognito does nothing except not retain history and site specific setting changes in the browser itself. I feel terrified that someone who thinks incognito mode does anything is peddling answers on the forum.
Yes it is. Your favorite graphene OS agrees.
Isn’t this against CoC? @moderators
It means its a new tool with a non regular language and codebase, and attacks against it have not been analysed to the depth signal has been.
Stop please. Stop throwing random tools around as solution.
Already did.
It is unfortunate anonymous spaces have given an avenue to unqualified experts to indulge in providing terrible advice.
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@anon6884803 @GorujoCY please can you guys chill out a bit, this thread has been marked as answered and you guys could start a new thread to continue with the “discussion”, even PM would work, just mind your words and attitude.
I dun want to report any replies so please just be kind to each other.
all good if you wanna report, I understand it.
Just the feeling of irritation got to me.
If anything I feel @anon29374801’s post are actually way better…