# Copilot vs SLM **URL:** https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/copilot-vs-slm/18520 **Category:** Questions **Created:** 2024-05-26T00:41:31Z **Posts:** 10 ## Post 1 by @win11.shading291 — 2024-05-26T00:41:31Z I’ve been trying to see if Microsoft AI Copilot was “privacy safe.” When I asked the question to Copilot itself, it seemed legit. From what I’ve read online, it seems legit as well. I’m sure there are a lot of opinions where Microsoft is a privacy devil and I understand those and agree to some extent. But if we were to push the reset button and were to believe what Microsoft says about their products, would Copilot be considered privacy safe? Why or why not? Also another question would be about SLM like: - Phi-3 [https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-developer-community/getting-started-generative-ai-with-phi-3-mini-a-guide-to/ba-p/4121315](https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-developer-community/getting-started-generative-ai-with-phi-3-mini-a-guide-to/ba-p/4121315) - Llama 3: [LLama 3.1: How to install and enjoy AI Capabilities Offline | by Bhavik Jikadara | Medium](https://medium.com/@bhavikjikadara/bringing-llama-3-how-to-install-and-enjoy-ai-capabilities-offline-322799b5b6fc) - Mistral Are they worth it? Are they comparable? to Copilot or GPT? They seem a bit complex to install, is that a fair assessment? Thanks for your help! :slight_smile: --- ## Post 2 by @anon46412288 — 2024-05-26T05:32:09Z > [@win11.shading291](#): > > I’ve been trying to see if Microsoft AI Copilot was “privacy safe.” When I asked the question to Copilot itself, it seemed legit. …that’s like asking Google if they spy on us. They’ll obviously say no. would be PR suicide for Microsoft’s AI to claim that MS is spying on us. That would be like the time Twitter’s AI Grok had an incident where it said “I can confirm that Elon Musk is a pe–phile” and the ensuing chaos was amazing (elon said that the AI trained on “woke” non-sense lmfaoo). MS isn’t _as_ stupid as Musk. > But if we were to push the reset button and were to believe what Microsoft says about their products, would Copilot be considered privacy safe? Why or why not? Never, especially with the new Recall feature they are bringing onto Copilot+ PCs. Copilot will surveil everything going on your PC. Recall runs on the local NPU but Copilot does connect to MS servers, and Copilot will definitely use Recall to give “smarter suggestions”. Oh also, [Microsoft cares more about not violating DRM than protecting your passwords](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy-and-control-over-your-recall-experience-d404f672-7647-41e5-886c-a3c59680af15) : > Recall treats material protected with digital rights management (DRM) similarly; like other Windows apps such as the Snipping Tool, Recall will not store DRM content. > Note that Recall does not perform content moderation. It will not hide information such as passwords or financial account numbers edit : ok well microsoft is very capable of PR suicide by stating this outright on their support site :melting_face: --- ## Post 3 by @brivacy — 2024-05-26T14:31:00Z Anything running locally is always best. > [@Add AI Chat tools](https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/add-ai-chat-tools/14347): > > Hello, I’m recommending the creation of a section on the use of artificial intelligence. There is a high demand from ordinary people for artificial intelligence services. As long as there are such tools that respect privacy, it would be a valuable addition to this guide. Recommendation 1: [https://gpt4all.io/index.html](https://gpt4all.io/index.html) GPT4All A free-to-use, locally running, privacy-aware chatbot Windows, Mac, Ubuntu. Recommendation 2: [https://www.localai.app/](https://www.localai.app/) Experiment with AI offline, in private. W… Vote for it it can actually offer a better ai in your device. For me use ollama with dolphin-phi3 or llama3 8b or gemma. --- ## Post 4 by @win11.shading291 — 2024-05-26T20:53:20Z What is recall? --- ## Post 5 by @win11.shading291 — 2024-05-26T20:54:51Z Thanks, I’m looking for something with an easy installation. Is that available or not yet? --- ## Post 6 by @brivacy — 2024-05-27T08:57:38Z Gpt4all is a option still ollama is awesome extremely easy to install play with it. --- ## Post 7 by @win11.shading291 — 2024-05-27T20:44:05Z > [@brivacy](#): > > For me use ollama with dolphin-phi3 or llama3 8b or gemma Thanks! I read the whole other thread you linked too. Could you or someone else list what each do? And if it’s easy to install? I’m sure it’d be super helpful not only to me, but to a lot of people looking for this. Let’s put some boundaries as well. I suggest the following for the installation process: easy - medium - hard. And why. Privacy should be a yes or no answer with an explanation. Let me do three examples. - PrivacyAIExample: - PiAIExample2: - WeArePrivatePleaseBelieveUsAI: **Real list:** - GPT4All: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: - Ollama: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: - Dolphin-phi3: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: - llama3 8b: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: - Gemma: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: - The local AI playground: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: - LlamaGPT: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: - Hugging Face: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: - Hugging chat: - Privacy OK?: - OS?: - Installation process: - Link: I could compile and update this list as people help me filling it. Thanks! :slight_smile: --- ## Post 8 by @brivacy — 2024-05-27T23:57:38Z This all will be filled once that will be in the privacyguide. But if you are willing to use > **[Ollama](https://ollama.com)** > > Get up and running with large language models. Os linux mac os windows(preview) Installation is easy just a curl .sh comment Once installed open terminal and write ollama run llama3 or any other models from [library](https://ollama.com/library) where you can find models like phi3 dolphin variants mistral qwen gemma and many others. [Gpt4all.io](http://Gpt4all.io) is for gpt for all but does not offer that many options or models but comes with precooked with a gui unlike ollama that you can set any gui once you have ollama running under in your server. Now talking about privacy this the the ultimate privacy cause no data leaving your system. I am running this on my laptop . You are also choose your model accordingly to your ram. Like llama3 need 8gb like ram so it is recommended to have more than 8 as you will also have other apps. Using linux make more sense due to the privacy that it offers with less ram consumption also. --- ## Post 9 by @win11.shading291 — 2024-05-29T02:43:12Z I’m not sure to have understood all of this. Could you take a step back and explain? It seems like llama3, phi3 dolphin, mistral, qwen, gemma are all subsets of Ollama? --- ## Post 10 by @brivacy — 2024-05-29T04:29:53Z Yes ollama is a application that runs llama3 and so You can that using ollama