Cloudflare is a private company. They are under zero obligation to operate or provide services in any market they deem hostile to their business interests.
If Italy doesn’t like the consequences of making themselves a hostile market place then they shouldn’t pass laws that make them a bad place to do business.
And that goes for all of Europe. If it cares so much about technology sovereignty then it shouldn’t have strangled its own tech industry in its crib with anti-business regulations.
Cloudflare’s CEO is 100% within his right to point out the consequences of the Italian government’s actions.
It is fine. Some people are just not meant to understand some things. Alas, such is fate
I for one cannot engage with someone who uses kek and woke without pitying how miserable their mental space is. Again, I hope you get well soon.
Nice motte and bailey defence, but unfortunately for your argument, no one disagrees with their right to disengage. Maybe the thread has grown long enough for it to lose context.
The attack is threatening with “discussions with US officials”, calling their marketing costs charity, and framing their refusal to follow law and pay a fine as defense on free speech. Is this really that complex a position?
Why do you think it’s ok to keep attacking me without addressing any of the arguments? And to find the usage of words woke and kek offensive/characterizing…
But it’s both marketing and charity.
I don’t want to live in a world where in Iran, China and Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Belarus, Uzbekistan, UAE and now Italy could successfully block websites, charge tech companies quadrillions for non-compliance and enforce global censorship.
Terrible tech giants like Telegram, Google, CF, AWS are paying giant fines in those countries while not complying for as long as possible. Cloudflare’s “marketing budget“ extends to allowing people to use WS+TLS, rprx proxying strategies. Such collateral damage strategies are causing frequent temporary service outage for their paying customers in those countries. It would obviously be in tech giant’s best interests to give the government full access, yet capitalists willingly choosing to lose money.
It’s a bit heartbreaking to see CF’s efforts to preserve the free internet being dismissed.
Every authoritarian regime makes censorship legal and demands tech giants to adopt the capabilities to block everything, without any judicial process. I couldn’t wish EU to experience this, but i guess it’s already happening in Italy. Good luck combating censorship without the tech giants enforcing the collateral damage in your “democracy”.
None of what you quoted is me saying they should not disengage. Criticism of hostage taking and threats is not criticism of the ability to disengage. Disengagement is anyway just taking your toys and running away, which CF will not do regardless of the bluster.
I did not attack you at all, I just think you keep ignoring what I actually wrote in bad faith, as evidenced by you being someone who thinks terms like woke are at all relevant to any discussion. I do not wish to recreate everything I said again and again, so I do wish you recover the ability to read things in good faith.
You have not made any arguments. You have assumed I am Italian, mocked Italian sovereignty, and called names. Persistently repeating claims when you are told to see previous comments does not amount to argument, however much you might want it to.
This is just playing chess with a Pigeon. It will throw the pieces around, shit on the board, constantly distract by throwing around random things, then keep nipping with a beak demanding a response, refusing to see that it is ignoring the entire context of it being a chess game. Of course, it is my fault for trying to engage a Pigeon in a chess game, so I just said I will not persist with it.
Again, hope you recover the ability to read in good faith. I do not think it is healthy for thread to just copy paste my response and explain them line by line. This will be my last response to you unfortunately. Get well soon!
That’s unfortunately not really true in practice, but yes, the First Amendment is a far more robust protection for freedom of expression than anything that exists anywhere in the EU.
The saddest thing about this thread is that it has turned into a nationalist battleground, when I don’t think @koocmit intended anything of the sort. Even forum moderators are now taking sides, like @phnx.
I have criticized the interference of sovereign states over others and, even, that a company could reach a size where it can threaten a country with losses in the millions. I don’t care if it’s Italy, Spain, Iran, Morocco, etc. It cannot be that a private company can threaten a country in this way and bankrupt businesses that have nothing to do with the government. But you find it funny, you make memes and you’re amused watching how incompetent politicians from, in this case, Italy make decisions forced by the Italian football broadcasting industry that harm all the people. Because don’t forget, we’re talking about the people, their businesses, not mere politicians.
On the other hand, I find it hilarious to see United Statesians with such nationalist pride. In your country, freedom of expression is the freedom of the press owner and social media platforms. You fought fascism (out of pure self-interest) and now you’ve become them again. You’re the laughingstock of the entire world because you have a culture based on conquest, fentanyl, and guns. You talk about free markets when you have the biggest oligopolies in the world that eliminate competition. When you come to Europe you’re amazed by the fact that people walk on the street, by public healthcare and by the freedom and safety felt on the streets. In the United States you have the highest murder rates per million inhabitants in the entire world, school shootings, poverty rates not expected in a first-world country, etc. And you talk to us about Republic? About constitutions? Please, this is the most ridiculous thread in history.
This going way off the rails and is basically just people saying whatever country you’re from is the best and other peoples countries are stinky, nothing to do with privacy or security. Let’s keep it on topic please.
I understand you might come from an ideology where the only response to name calling is offence. But I assure you I am not offended. I just think it is a clear marker of what kind of discussion this person will bring, and I just cannot follow that debate.
Will people start reading the thread or just jump in for reactions?
