Hatred is stupid and destructive.
You can strongly disagree with something a company does without hating them. This is just the way capitalism and huge listed companies work.
I don’t like that either but it’s the reality we live in and hating Apple/Google for it will change nothing.
The source of the problem is located elsewhere.
Plus: absolutely noone forces you to use an Apple or Google device, it’s your own free choice.
Apple = walled garden = less options more expensive and more profits.
Apple’s legal policies are endless docs when compared to Google’s less lengthy policies.
True in the past (and the present for laptop/desktop), but not true in the present or recent past with mobile devices. Android flagships have inflated in price to the point there is no longer a clear cost advantage when you compare between like models. (US) Prices at the moment are:
| Column 1 | iPhone | Pixel | Galaxy |
|---|---|---|---|
| Base Model | 800 | 800 | 860 |
| Pro/Ultra Model | 1000 | 1000 | 1170 |
| Midrange (“Budget”) Model | 430 | 450 | 400 |
(*Most expensive in bold)
Apple’s legal policies are endless docs when compared to Google’s less lengthy policies.
Do you feel that the more comprehensive or the less comprehensive policy is preferable?
I find Google’s privacy policy to be (probably intentionally) vague to the point of being mostly useless. A very strong privacy policy can be short and still be effective, but when a very weak privacy policy is short, it can often hide or disguise many things through omission and vagueness.
I didn’t mean expensive to be device cost. Its overall price including services like icloud, apple music and app store purchases. Storage and content subscriptions can be migrated to another device unlike app purchases. If you purchase threema in app store it can’t be transferred to play store OTOH icloud files and photos can be transferred to Proton drive after subscription ends.
I’m sorry but using iPhone SE for comparison is disingenious at best. Everyone knows that iPhone SE is a piece of junk.
It reuses a decade old camera which can’t even compare to Pixel 8a.
The battery life and capacity is an absolute joke.
The size of the phone and screen bezzels are abysmal.
The screen itself is 60Hz LCD panel.
The resolution of the screen is pretty much 720P.
It still uses lightining and has slow charging.
I could keep going…
Someone has to be absolutely nuts to buy this junk for $430, it’s an absolute scam. You also didn’t mention very frequent discounts that Google Pixel devices have or that these devices get cheaper very quickly because they aren’t treated as some kind of “gold” that never loses value. You could probbaly find a listing on used market: I bought an iPhone for 800€, used it for 3 years, you can see some wear and tear on it, I want 750€ for it.
(Just noticed that I accidently replied to you @certainty, I wanted to reply to @xe3’s price comparison.)
Thought this forum was about advocating for better options.
OP is certainly right in bringing up Apple’s closed ecosystem (which has been marketed for long as über private) doing more damage exactly in places where privacy is important. If you identity with the oppressed, you’re likely to hate the hypocrisy.
Apple should open up their OS some more, and not just in the EU. Unfortunately though, Apple is more likely to listen to governments that can affect their bottom-line than to consumers seeking privacy. OP here then is asking consumers to vote with their wallet. I don’t consider that to be destructive (except for Apple, may be).
The “noone forces you” part is also debatable.
iPhone kids/teens making fun of Android kids/teens in the US is real.
iMessage’s network effect is real.
FaceTime’s network affect is real.
AirDrop’s network effect is real.
Etc.
GrapheneOS explains very well how Apple operates:
Apple quite happily relies on bullying by teenagers based on their messaging strategy as a marketing approach. Should expect very little from them in the way of allowing users to use another OS. They provide a few small things for Android users but make sure it’s not fully functional so that if people do buy an Apple Watch, it acts as pressure for them to move to an iPhone to get all of the functionality working instead of only bits and pieces of it.
tryna turn Tim Cook into Cooked Beef 
Here’s a better explanation from Sam Time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqA8h0IBRmY