2026 Instant Messenger Tier List

This isn’t what I mean. I mean that instant messengers usually have a sequence of establishing a connection and then messages back and forth over the channel. Email is designed so you can drop an email in someone’s inbox without ever “adding them” or having any kind of handshake.

Yes, and this does happen in countries that are determined to do censorship. Either they don’t really care and a lot of alternatives that are better will work, or they will block all the major providers.

And notoriously insecure with many parts to make it more secure. It was developed in a time when there were a small number of universities on the internet with real people who had phone numbers to call each other.

No, something designed for a specific purpose with thoughtful design is better. Email notoriously has inefficient transport encoding MIME as well.

TLDR is it’s a huge surface area, and a huge number of of crappy standards to make it somewhat usable in today’s world.

That would matter, except the chatmail servers are configured to drop all non-encrypted messages, so unless you publicly drop an invite link to your profile somewhere (thus sharing your public key), all unsolicited messages will be dropped.

Well, I suppose it does still matter a bit if you communicate with people you don’t trust regularly. I couldn’t say if they’ve added an additional step to specifically accept or reject new contacts for cases where you have indeed publicly shared your invite link or QR code since I don’t really use it at the moment.

There are different levels of censorship. In the case that they are heavily censoring, then generally it’s just better to use a proxy anyway rather than build something into the app that will become outdated in a year or two.

From the way you make it sound, Gmail’s infra would be hacked every day. Email is indeed not particularly secure in general, but that’s largely because 99.99% of emails are plaintext at some point between the clients.

Alrighty then, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

And we’re back to this. At least I agree with this.

Just gonna note that SimpleX was far, far buggier and frankly barely usable for a number of group chats the last time I tried it. I will take somewhat usable over barely usable.

They’ve had to develop a lot of standards, and most recently ones like MTA-STS, just to get some opportunistic encryption that can’t simply be intercepted and downgraded by an adversary. Many servers still do not implement MTA-STS or DANE.

We’ve had HTTPS for years, which provides explicit transport encryption. It’s always on by default, and there are very few ways to downgrade it into plaintext. Email, by contrast, took a lot longer to gain some semblance of security because it depends on a lot of other moving parts, including crummy, unmaintained SMTP servers that need to be retired and replaced.

When you start looking at other standards like DKIM, DKIM2, DMARC, and ARC, you start to realize email was not made in recent times, and trust was not a protocol feature built-in from the start.

And until not so long ago, they were only opportunistically upgraded to TLS, meaning downgrade attacks to plaintext were certainly possible.

The main issue is the adoption of standards. You might come up with a great new idea, but it has to go through a lengthy RFC process or nobody will adopt it.

This is notoriously a slow process (as most IETF working groups are), so trying to develop a modern chat platform on top of it is a terrible idea. If you run into a problem, you can’t just deploy a quick solution or issue a new room/spec version the way a protocol like Matrix does.

Instead, you have to find some existing piece and hope it works. I think the reason Delta Chat is able to achieve what it does is simply because it doesn’t try to do a lot of what protocols like Matrix can handle at scale or with better reliability.

I have used SimpleX in the past but don’t do so currently, largely due to the network effect. Personally, I find Matrix works pretty well these days for larger rooms and DMs (it’s widely used by many open-source projects), and the remaining communities that still use IRC bridge nicely via Heisenbridge. Matrix serves a different space, though and it’s more of a Teams replacement.

Its metadata social graph (who is speaking to whom) is more pronounced than Signal’s, but this combination still provides a pretty good coverage of features.

A tool has to be secure, work properly, and be good enough that other people will actually want to use it. However, security design and attack surface are going to become even more starkly pronounced as capable agents target them for exploitation.

It is simply no longer an option to develop something that is just “good enough.” Without a bulletproof architectural foundation that can be iterated if necessary, clinging to a tool out of a personal cargo cult becomes completely irrelevant.

But you did say “government”, right?

Now, as a company listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, Tencent has to fulfil certain disclosure responsibilities, including ownership.

Whether the Chinese government has any form of indirect ownership is anyone’s guess, but one thing is certain: it does not need to run it.
Education for all.

Yes lol

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OK, so SMS is for dinosaurs. I have GOS and I communicate with people who have I phones and won’t install Signal, or any other messaging app, except maybe WhatsApp in some cases.

So they have RCS and iMessage, both of which I can’t use on a GOS phone AFAIK. I really don’t want to use WhatsApp due to its privacy issues. So I end up falling back to SMS for these folks. Do I have any better options?

Side note: I did try so called self hosted OpenBubbles using my email address associated with my AppleID as my iMessage ID, but some iMessage recipients weren’t getting my texts for some reason.

You can use it, you might not want to.

WhatsApp is probably better then SMS.
At least if you assume that WhatsApp is honest about their E2EE, then they can’t read you messages, but you provider can read your SMS

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What about unencrypted backups to Google? Are you sure other side hasn’t turned it on?

Then you are on the same level then SMS.

I do not trust people that refuse to use something different then SMS or WhatsApp in general.
Avoid talking something to them that you are not ok with going public.

My tier list

Telegram being F is crazy

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Yeah it is crazy, they have millionaire CEO backing the project and yet no money to hire proper cryptographers to design a secure protocol. The craziest part of the review is there isn’t category g for projects like tg.

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i think it is where it belongs. crazy are the people using it

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Teams is a weird one. I use it daily for work. I have no expectation of privacy because it’s all belongs to my employer and it’s a key part of our use of Microsoft 365. It’s good enough at what it does.

Does anyone really use Teams for personal use?

As for WhatsApp, I understand its placement on the grid. But let’s not forget that in many third world countries it’s hugely popular and sometimes the only widely used encrypted way of communicating. Otherwise banana republic policemen’s would be making people disappear overnight.

I see it as a mixed bag. You get corporate surveillance in exchange for protection from some hostile governments. Covering 2 billion users with the Signal protocol is a big deal in my opinion.

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Sorry, there was no “Z” tier :joy:

Dunno about Delta Chat, TBH it feels super weird to build a messenger on top of a protocol that leaks massive amount fo metadata and has no forward secrecy.

I’d be curious to hear more 'bout Jami, never heard of it